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#Post#: 98477--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: Beancounter Date: December 9, 2025, 11:58 am
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Whatever the merits of the appointment, it is utterly shambolic
that Newcastle will have had the same referee 4 times in the
first 16 games. Local league appointment secretaries wouldn’t be
this disorganised.
#Post#: 98478--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: ben Date: December 9, 2025, 12:02 pm
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[quote author=Beancounter link=topic=7478.msg98477#msg98477
date=1765303101]
Whatever the merits of the appointment, it is utterly shambolic
that Newcastle will have had the same referee 4 times in the
first 16 games. Local league appointment secretaries wouldn’t be
this disorganised.
[/quote]
I'd tend to agree - although caveat is game v Fulham he was a
late change due to Harrington getting stuck an extra day on
European duty.
Point still stands though - 1 in 4 games having the same referee
is not necessary when we are approaching the halfway point of
the season.
#Post#: 98479--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: TA_Ref Date: December 9, 2025, 12:20 pm
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[quote author=Ben link=topic=7478.msg98478#msg98478
date=1765303321]
[quote author=Beancounter link=topic=7478.msg98477#msg98477
date=1765303101]
Whatever the merits of the appointment, it is utterly shambolic
that Newcastle will have had the same referee 4 times in the
first 16 games. Local league appointment secretaries wouldn’t be
this disorganised.
[/quote]
I'd tend to agree - although caveat is game v Fulham he was a
late change due to Harrington getting stuck an extra day on
European duty.
Point still stands though - 1 in 4 games having the same referee
is not necessary when we are approaching the halfway point of
the season.
[/quote]
It was terrible last season when Michael Oliver was appointed to
Man City 5 times before the end of December. That was
unbelievable in my eyes.
#Post#: 98480--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: consulrjo Date: December 9, 2025, 12:35 pm
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Is Stuart Attwell injured and only doing VAR right now? He’s
done VAR and AVAR in Europe all week and now he’s on VAR this
weekend twice again.
#Post#: 98481--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: Whooshthecat Date: December 9, 2025, 12:55 pm
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[quote author=rustyref link=topic=7478.msg98474#msg98474
date=1765298514]
[quote author=Whooshthecat link=topic=7478.msg98465#msg98465
date=1765276999]
Very surprised at Bankes being appointed for what has the
potential to be the toughest game to manage in the Premier
League this season.
Hope it goes well for the team but my Spidey senses are
expecting controversy, probably Joelinton related!
[/quote]
It will certainly be ferocious between the fans, but I don't
think derbies are anything like they used to be as the players
don't really understand the rivalry. Sunderland have a few
local players but not many are likely to start, and a large part
of the squad only moved to England this Summer. Newcastle have
Dan Burn and Lewis Miley, and no doubt the atmosphere impacts
players, but it just isn't like the days when the players were
all English and even local to the club.
[/quote]
I respectfully disagree, it's not about local players any more.
This game has always had an undercurrent of identity and
culture, Newcastle taking the superior stance, amplified in a
post-Saudi era.
They revelled in being the 'richest club in the world', Ronaldo
and Messi would be working on the bar. Anyway, having sold their
soul to that murderous regime they've now got Sunderland away.
Plucky little Sunderland, irrelevant in those League One years
and fortunate to get promoted. We were then told we'd get
relegated with less points than Derby, then we had an easy
start, then we'd not get a point in a tough run of games.
Anyway, Sunday is upon us. We have a team that doesn't need
'local lads, they get the culture, the city, the collectiveness
and leadership and direction of Le Bris and Xhakha.
We've been an irrelevance for years, but we've won six and drawn
one of the last seven Premier League games against them.
They are now desperate to not get beat, when it was 'I'm pleased
they've been promoted, easy six points' was the condescending
attitude in the Summer.
Whatever happens, I've gone since 1981 and this is the proudest
I've been to support my club.
It'll be a cracking game, the atmosphere will be febrile, the
midfield battle will be incredible. You should make a point of
watching live, but as a positive poster towards 'Team Ref'
historically, I really think it should have been Taylor. It
could be a pivotal match for Peter Bankes, I hope the ball runs
for him.
#Post#: 98482--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: TA_Ref Date: December 9, 2025, 12:58 pm
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[quote author=consulrjo link=topic=7478.msg98480#msg98480
date=1765305330]
Is Stuart Attwell injured and only doing VAR right now? He’s
done VAR and AVAR in Europe all week and now he’s on VAR this
weekend twice again.
[/quote]
I don’t believe so as he’s had 3 middles in a week (Tottenham v
Fulham, Liverpool v Sunderland and Newcastle v Burnley).
Probably just a weekend off.
#Post#: 98483--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: ben Date: December 9, 2025, 1:02 pm
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He’s also down for a cup quarter final in a couple of weeks.
#Post#: 98484--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: rustyref Date: December 9, 2025, 1:43 pm
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[quote author=Whooshthecat link=topic=7478.msg98481#msg98481
date=1765306517]
[quote author=rustyref link=topic=7478.msg98474#msg98474
date=1765298514]
[quote author=Whooshthecat link=topic=7478.msg98465#msg98465
date=1765276999]
Very surprised at Bankes being appointed for what has the
potential to be the toughest game to manage in the Premier
League this season.
Hope it goes well for the team but my Spidey senses are
expecting controversy, probably Joelinton related!
[/quote]
It will certainly be ferocious between the fans, but I don't
think derbies are anything like they used to be as the players
don't really understand the rivalry. Sunderland have a few
local players but not many are likely to start, and a large part
of the squad only moved to England this Summer. Newcastle have
Dan Burn and Lewis Miley, and no doubt the atmosphere impacts
players, but it just isn't like the days when the players were
all English and even local to the club.
[/quote]
I respectfully disagree, it's not about local players any more.
This game has always had an undercurrent of identity and
culture, Newcastle taking the superior stance, amplified in a
post-Saudi era.
They revelled in being the 'richest club in the world', Ronaldo
and Messi would be working on the bar. Anyway, having sold their
soul to that murderous regime they've now got Sunderland away.
Plucky little Sunderland, irrelevant in those League One years
and fortunate to get promoted. We were then told we'd get
relegated with less points than Derby, then we had an easy
start, then we'd not get a point in a tough run of games.
Anyway, Sunday is upon us. We have a team that doesn't need
'local lads, they get the culture, the city, the collectiveness
and leadership and direction of Le Bris and Xhakha.
We've been an irrelevance for years, but we've won six and drawn
one of the last seven Premier League games against them.
They are now desperate to not get beat, when it was 'I'm pleased
they've been promoted, easy six points' was the condescending
attitude in the Summer.
Whatever happens, I've gone since 1981 and this is the proudest
I've been to support my club.
It'll be a cracking game, the atmosphere will be febrile, the
midfield battle will be incredible. You should make a point of
watching live, but as a positive poster towards 'Team Ref'
historically, I really think it should have been Taylor. It
could be a pivotal match for Peter Bankes, I hope the ball runs
for him.
[/quote]
I spent several years living in Sunderland, if I had a second
team they would be it, so I know all about the rivalry and the
atmosphere. But no one is going to convince me that Granit
Xhaka is going to be as riled up about the rivalry as players
like Lee Cattermole and Kevin Ball would have been. And yes I
know neither of those were Sunderland natives, but as Englishmen
who played for Sunderland for such a long time the rivalry would
be in their blood, it won't be for overseas players that have
been there 5 minutes.
And to be fair, you probably want to hope that Xhaka isn't riled
up as over the course of his career that hasn't tended to end
well.
#Post#: 98488--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: Whooshthecat Date: December 9, 2025, 1:54 pm
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[quote author=rustyref link=topic=7478.msg98484#msg98484
date=1765309439]
[quote author=Whooshthecat link=topic=7478.msg98481#msg98481
date=1765306517]
[quote author=rustyref link=topic=7478.msg98474#msg98474
date=1765298514]
[quote author=Whooshthecat link=topic=7478.msg98465#msg98465
date=1765276999]
Very surprised at Bankes being appointed for what has the
potential to be the toughest game to manage in the Premier
League this season.
Hope it goes well for the team but my Spidey senses are
expecting controversy, probably Joelinton related!
[/quote]
It will certainly be ferocious between the fans, but I don't
think derbies are anything like they used to be as the players
don't really understand the rivalry. Sunderland have a few
local players but not many are likely to start, and a large part
of the squad only moved to England this Summer. Newcastle have
Dan Burn and Lewis Miley, and no doubt the atmosphere impacts
players, but it just isn't like the days when the players were
all English and even local to the club.
[/quote]
I respectfully disagree, it's not about local players any more.
This game has always had an undercurrent of identity and
culture, Newcastle taking the superior stance, amplified in a
post-Saudi era.
They revelled in being the 'richest club in the world', Ronaldo
and Messi would be working on the bar. Anyway, having sold their
soul to that murderous regime they've now got Sunderland away.
Plucky little Sunderland, irrelevant in those League One years
and fortunate to get promoted. We were then told we'd get
relegated with less points than Derby, then we had an easy
start, then we'd not get a point in a tough run of games.
Anyway, Sunday is upon us. We have a team that doesn't need
'local lads, they get the culture, the city, the collectiveness
and leadership and direction of Le Bris and Xhakha.
We've been an irrelevance for years, but we've won six and drawn
one of the last seven Premier League games against them.
They are now desperate to not get beat, when it was 'I'm pleased
they've been promoted, easy six points' was the condescending
attitude in the Summer.
Whatever happens, I've gone since 1981 and this is the proudest
I've been to support my club.
It'll be a cracking game, the atmosphere will be febrile, the
midfield battle will be incredible. You should make a point of
watching live, but as a positive poster towards 'Team Ref'
historically, I really think it should have been Taylor. It
could be a pivotal match for Peter Bankes, I hope the ball runs
for him.
[/quote]
I spent several years living in Sunderland, if I had a second
team they would be it, so I know all about the rivalry and the
atmosphere. But no one is going to convince me that Granit
Xhaka is going to be as riled up about the rivalry as players
like Lee Cattermole and Kevin Ball would have been. And yes I
know neither of those were Sunderland natives, but as Englishmen
who played for Sunderland for such a long time the rivalry would
be in their blood, it won't be for overseas players that have
been there 5 minutes.
And to be fair, you probably want to hope that Xhaka isn't riled
up as over the course of his career that hasn't tended to end
well.
[/quote]
Once again, I'll respectfully disagree. Lee Cattermole's last
Derby game was nearly ten years ago. The whole landscape and
dynamic has changed since then, post-Saudi sportswashing. This
will be at an intensity from the first kick I don't think you'll
see in other games this season. Xhaka isn't the issue here, if
Joelinton starts he's absolutely nailed on to get at least a
yellow.
#Post#: 98489--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 13th - Mon 15th Dec 2025
By: Adam Date: December 9, 2025, 2:31 pm
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I've often thought Bankes's fixtures often have an element of
mayhem and you could flip a coin to see whether he'd be in
control of the match or not.
However, in recent weeks, I think his games have been equally
chaotic however now with an element of control, take Saturday
for example at Villa Park, he was excellent and contributed to a
cracking game.
If he keeps up his recent form, he has the tools to put in a
great performance. If he does, he'd be my prime candidate for
the Carabao Cup final.
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