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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: Ancientref
Date: December 3, 2025, 1:12 am
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I’m sorry, but if you are going to allow that incident to go
unpunished then you might as well have scrums instead of
corners. When VAR was brought in we were promised it would get
rid of these skirmishes and when it happens it’s branded
disgraceful.
There was no intention of playing the ball but simply making
sure that the opponent nd once the arms were used for me it was
a clear penalty. I don’t blame the referee for not seeing it,
there is too much going on at corners for everything to be seen
and in this case I am glad VAR intervened.
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: El Referee
Date: December 3, 2025, 2:06 am
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Just seen it for the first time- based on the comments, I
thought it was going to be a shocker of a decision. But for me,
I don’t mind it being given. But only as long as they will keep
up an element of consistency around holding like this
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: Marvin Grapevine
Date: December 3, 2025, 2:48 am
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Fine with that as a decision in isolation, but you see far worse
at least half a dozen times per game and nothing is done.
It’s consistency yet again.
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: December 3, 2025, 3:18 am
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I agree but that isn't the fault of either Official involved
here
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: tef
Date: December 3, 2025, 3:22 am
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--- Quote from: Chris G?ld?r link ---
>
> [quote author=tef link=topic=7455.msg98194#msg98194
date=1764713637]
> I’m fairly satisfied with the intervention purely because the
Tottenham player had no focus on the ball (or general play) and
was looking at Burn throughout.
>
--- End Quote ---
Didn't realise there was a law for awarding penalties for "not
watching the ball".
Absolutely dreadful review as seems to be the general opinion in
most places I have looked.
[/quote]
It's not explicitly written that was in the law, but is a
consideration for the holding offence. I refer you to this link,
specifically "Holding while focusing solely on the opponent and
paying no attention to challenging for the ball is usually an
offence."
HTML https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4079609.
Blame
the guidelines if you want, but I'm not sure Tierney and Bramall
can be heavily criticized for abiding by then.
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: ajb95
Date: December 3, 2025, 4:21 am
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For me it’s more of a foul by Burn on the spurs player
#Post#: 98208--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: TillysDad
Date: December 3, 2025, 4:36 am
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I feel the holding was 50/50 and then Burn used is body weight
to push Bentancur to the ground
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: December 3, 2025, 6:06 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> For me it’s more of a foul by Burn on the spurs player
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree with this. The defender is fully entitled to his
position on the pitch and was simply holding his ground. Burn
chose to go through him rather than round him. It’s a
straightforward defensive free kick, nothing more to it. Move
on, no drama needed.
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Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: chris.g?ld?r
Date: December 3, 2025, 5:07 pm
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--- Quote from: tef link ---
>
> [quote author=Chris G?ld?r link=topic=7455.msg98196#msg98196
date=1764714071]
> [quote author=tef link=topic=7455.msg98194#msg98194
date=1764713637]
> I’m fairly satisfied with the intervention purely because the
Tottenham player had no focus on the ball (or general play) and
was looking at Burn throughout.
>
--- End Quote ---
Didn't realise there was a law for awarding penalties for "not
watching the ball".
Absolutely dreadful review as seems to be the general opinion in
most places I have looked.
[/quote]
It's not explicitly written that was in the law, but is a
consideration for the holding offence. I refer you to this link,
specifically "Holding while focusing solely on the opponent and
paying no attention to challenging for the ball is usually an
offence."
HTML https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4079609.
Blame
the guidelines if you want, but I'm not sure Tierney and Bramall
can be heavily criticized for abiding by then.
[/quote]
Thank you for referring me to a link which absolutely confirms
what I said - there is no law about being penalised for not
looking at the ball. Even in the guidelines you have stated
about not looking at the ball in isolation is not what is
considered. I refer you to the actual wording "Players who only
focus on an opponent and pay no attention to challenging for the
ball AND have a material impact, should be penalised. The key
word here is AND having a material impact. Having Dan Burn fall
on top of you after normal non material contact simply does not
constitute a penalty and when Howard Webb does his next match
officials mic'd up I would expect if this clip is included he
will admit this was an error to overturn.
Even if you believe this COULD have been a penalty, I would
still insist that it in no way meets the "clear and obvious"
criteria which we have been told is being applied this season
for a VAR intervention.
#Post#: 98241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newcastle v Tottenham - Thomas Bramall (VAR Paul Tierney)
DIR By: Jake the Peg
Date: December 4, 2025, 7:09 am
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If the offence had been committed outside the area with Bentacur
ignoring the ball and grabbing Burn would it have been a free
kick? Of course it would.
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