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#Post#: 97687--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: November 19, 2025, 6:04 am
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What a match! Agree fully on the 'non-award' for the foul on the
Danish player. If he was unsure whether it was a penalty or
outside the area, Marciniak should at least have blown for the
foul, and it was a basic error not to do so. I was unsure
whether it was inside the area or outside, but it was extremely
close to the line, so no complaints when VAR recommended a
penalty, and I think Marciniak would have been happy that VAR
bailed him out on that one. The red card - I thought there was
contact and a yellow card was inevitable, but I accept that it
was a very soft 2nd yellow. In view of its potential effects, I
think maybe there will be consideration to allowing VAR to look
at 2nd yellows in the future, much in the same way as GLT was
hastened following the gross error affecting England in the 2010
World Cup v Germany.
#Post#: 97689--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: aaa
Date: November 19, 2025, 6:51 am
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After reviewing the incident, I'm convinced that the reason a
penalty kick was awarded was because Andy Robertson's leg was on
the line when making the challenge, even though the Danish
player's leg was outside.
#Post#: 97698--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: arabref
Date: November 19, 2025, 10:01 am
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Firstly, what an incredible game. A really, really special night
to be at Hampden for - part of me isn’t sure if it actually
happened as it’s not fully sunk in yet. I would agree with the
OP that Marciniak was excellent in the first half. I received a
message from a relative (non-ref) at half time who was watching
on TV and also thought he was having an excellent game.
I’ve only just got round to watching the penalty incident and
second yellow again this afternoon. I was sat in the south east
corner of Hampden so pretty much as far away from the penalty as
you could get and even from there I thought in real time it
looked a fairly obvious foul.
In real time I also thought it was a foul on McGinn for the
second yellow, but watching it back today it’s just not a foul
at all. Once he gave the foul though the yellow card had to
follow because where it was on the pitch meant it was clearly
SPA.
Blowing for full time immediately after the fourth goal -
without restarting the game - was probably a sensible move as
the game was undoubtedly done, but I didn’t realise it initially
until I saw Marciniak and ARs halfway up the tunnel.
Maybe I was just in shock though, having seen three world class
goals in such a crucial match…
#Post#: 97699--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: Leggy
Date: November 19, 2025, 11:12 am
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--- Quote from: aaa link ---
>
> After reviewing the incident, I'm convinced that the reason a
penalty kick was awarded was because Andy Robertson's leg was on
the line when making the challenge, even though the Danish
player's leg was outside.
>
--- End Quote ---
So, here is one for the legal nit-pickers .....
If the leg of the offending player is within the Penalty Area
but the leg of the offended player is not within the Penalty
Area at the instant of contact (i.e. the moment the foul
challenge took place). Did the foul challenge take place:
i) Inside the Penalty Area?
ii) Outside the Penalty Area?
iii) Both inside and outside the Penalty Area?
For a bonus point, if the correct answer above is (iii), then
what is the correct restart of play?
#Post#: 97717--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: November 19, 2025, 5:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> What a match! Agree fully on the 'non-award' for the foul on
the Danish player. If he was unsure whether it was a penalty or
outside the area, Marciniak should at least have blown for the
foul, and it was a basic error not to do so. I was unsure
whether it was inside the area or outside, but it was extremely
close to the line, so no complaints when VAR recommended a
penalty, and I think Marciniak would have been happy that VAR
bailed him out on that one. The red card - I thought there was
contact and a yellow card was inevitable, but I accept that it
was a very soft 2nd yellow. In view of its potential effects, I
think maybe there will be consideration to allowing VAR to look
at 2nd yellows in the future, much in the same way as GLT was
hastened following the gross error affecting England in the 2010
World Cup v Germany.
>
--- End Quote ---
Why is that fair if the first YC shouldn't have been given but
the second YC is correct as the RC wouldn't then be overturned
in that instance?
#Post#: 97718--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: RCG
Date: November 19, 2025, 11:47 pm
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So, here is one for the legal nit-pickers .....
If the leg of the offending player is within the Penalty Area
but the leg of the offended player is not within the Penalty
Area at the instant of contact (i.e. the moment the foul
challenge took place). Did the foul challenge take place:
i) Inside the Penalty Area?
ii) Outside the Penalty Area?
iii) Both inside and outside the Penalty Area?
For a bonus point, if the correct answer above is (iii), then
what is the correct restart of play?
[/quote]
A comparison - gk slides out of area but the ball remains inside
the area in his hands - would you give handball? I would like to
think no
If the defender was chasing the attacker back and the trip
happens outside the box despite attacker ending up in area, we
would give a FK
Surely if the contact on the attacker is OUTSiDE the area then
that is where the foul occurred? Obviously with the caveat in
law that "on the line" is inside
(PS haven't seen this one myself, just asking in law)
#Post#: 97721--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: Leggy
Date: November 20, 2025, 1:25 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=7417.msg97687#msg97687
date=1763553853]
> What a match! Agree fully on the 'non-award' for the foul on
the Danish player. If he was unsure whether it was a penalty or
outside the area, Marciniak should at least have blown for the
foul, and it was a basic error not to do so. I was unsure
whether it was inside the area or outside, but it was extremely
close to the line, so no complaints when VAR recommended a
penalty, and I think Marciniak would have been happy that VAR
bailed him out on that one. The red card - I thought there was
contact and a yellow card was inevitable, but I accept that it
was a very soft 2nd yellow. In view of its potential effects, I
think maybe there will be consideration to allowing VAR to look
at 2nd yellows in the future, much in the same way as GLT was
hastened following the gross error affecting England in the 2010
World Cup v Germany.
>
--- End Quote ---
Why is that fair if the first YC shouldn't have been given but
the second YC is correct as the RC wouldn't then be overturned
in that instance?
I am not sure that it is fair, but at least the offending player
has a chance to take heed of the first yellow card (it used to
be called a "caution") - even if it was incorrect - before
committing the second cautionable offence. If the second yellow
card was incorrect at least VAR can help the referee to correct
it.
[/quote]
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Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: November 20, 2025, 4:41 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=aaa link=topic=7417.msg97689#msg97689
date=1763556697]
> After reviewing the incident, I'm convinced that the reason a
penalty kick was awarded was because Andy Robertson's leg was on
the line when making the challenge, even though the Danish
player's leg was outside.
>
--- End Quote ---
So, here is one for the legal nit-pickers .....
If the leg of the offending player is within the Penalty Area
but the leg of the offended player is not within the Penalty
Area at the instant of contact (i.e. the moment the foul
challenge took place). Did the foul challenge take place:
i) Inside the Penalty Area?
ii) Outside the Penalty Area?
iii) Both inside and outside the Penalty Area?
For a bonus point, if the correct answer above is (iii), then
what is the correct restart of play?
[/quote]
Schrödinger's penalty area.
#Post#: 97733--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: ARF
Date: November 20, 2025, 7:09 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
>
> A comparison - gk slides out of area but the ball remains
inside the area in his hands - would you give handball? I would
like to think no
>
--- End Quote ---
Obviously provided the entire ball remained inside the area then
there's no handball offence. However, if a small part of the
ball was outside the area and the GK's hand(s) touch that part
then it would be handball.
#Post#: 97750--------------------------------------------------
Re: S MARCINIAK - Scotland v Denmark
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: November 21, 2025, 4:56 am
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--- Quote from: ARF link ---
>
> [quote author=RCG link=topic=7417.msg97718#msg97718
date=1763617663]
> A comparison - gk slides out of area but the ball remains
inside the area in his hands - would you give handball? I would
like to think no
>
--- End Quote ---
Obviously provided the entire ball remained inside the area then
there's no handball offence. However, if a small part of the
ball was outside the area and the GK's hand(s) touch that part
then it would be handball.
[/quote]
That’s not correct. As long as any part of the ball is
touching or above the penalty-area line, the goalkeeper is
allowed to handle any part of it. If that wasn’t the
case, a goalkeeper wouldn’t be able to legally push a ball
that is only partially over the goal line back into play. By
the same logic, an outfield player would be allowed to handle
that part of the ball, since it would technically be outside the
field of play.
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