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Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: Adam
Date: October 5, 2025, 11:08 am
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Immediate brownie points from me for a) wearing black and b)
pulling up a foul throw, a pet peeve of mine!
With long throws coming back into fashion, I personally think
it's important that referees and particularly ARs begin clamping
down on foul throws once and for all, as games could be decided
on winners/equalisers being scored from an illegal long throws.
My opinion is that refs are way too lenient in policing foul
throws. Would be interested to hear others thoughts on this?
#Post#: 96127--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: arabref
Date: October 5, 2025, 12:18 pm
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Only listening to 5Live so not seen any footage, but quite glad
to hear the commentator (John Murray?) suggest if players didn't
dive/make the most of any minor contact, then it would easier
for referees to know when someone is genuinely injured.
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Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: bmb
Date: October 5, 2025, 1:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Adam link ---
>
> Immediate brownie points from me for a) wearing black and b)
pulling up a foul throw, a pet peeve of mine!
>
> With long throws coming back into fashion, I personally think
it's important that referees and particularly ARs begin clamping
down on foul throws once and for all, as games could be decided
on winners/equalisers being scored from an illegal long throws.
My opinion is that refs are way too lenient in policing foul
throws. Would be interested to hear others thoughts on this?
>
--- End Quote ---
Foul throw correctly given in AFCB v Fulham as well. Perhaps
they have been told to clamp down on them. I agree, it's perhaps
considered more of a minor offence & therefore rarely penalised
but as we know with how quickly the levels of gamesmanship rose
when not being clamped down on, keep leaving it then it becomes
the norm and harder to tackle.
#Post#: 96136--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: October 6, 2025, 2:28 am
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Fully agree with long throws, but not particularly concerned
otherwise unless OTT.
#Post#: 96138--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: October 6, 2025, 5:43 am
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I wonder if someone can explain to me what goes on in a
referee's mind. At 82:07 the ball goes out of play for a City
throw half way inside the Brentford half. the Brentford manager
kicks the ball back onto the pitch ending up about 10yds in the
pitch. O'Reilly moves to take the free kick and a Brentford
player taps the ball about 5yds in his direction. O'Reilly
walks onto the pitch picks up the ball briefly wipes it in his
shirt and is in position to take the throw at 82:15, throws the
ball in at 82:32 as the referee issues him with a yellow card,
which seems harsh in comparison to what happens regularly. The
throw in is finally taken by Brentford at 82:57 so the referee
has effectively caused an additional delay of 25 seconds.
At 85:39 the ball goes out of play, I thought for a City throw
but it was awarded to Brentford, never mind. A Brentford player
picks up the ball the leaves it for a second Brentford player
who decides he doesn't like that ball, walks 10 yards towards
the City end to pick up the multiball, picks up a towel and
wipes it whist walking 5yds back towards where the ball went
out, is told to move further back and moves a few yards further
back, lines up to take a long run up to throw the ball into the
City area at 86:30.
So it has taken Brentford 51 seconds to take a throw and no
action is taken by the referee whilst City are show a yellow
card after 25 seconds - why?
#Post#: 96139--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: TA_Ref
Date: October 6, 2025, 6:03 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> I wonder if someone can explain to me what goes on in a
referee's mind. At 82:07 the ball goes out of play for a City
throw half way inside the Brentford half. the Brentford manager
kicks the ball back onto the pitch ending up about 10yds in the
pitch. O'Reilly moves to take the free kick and a Brentford
player taps the ball about 5yds in his direction. O'Reilly
walks onto the pitch picks up the ball briefly wipes it in his
shirt and is in position to take the throw at 82:15, throws the
ball in at 82:32 as the referee issues him with a yellow card,
which seems harsh in comparison to what happens regularly. The
throw in is finally taken by Brentford at 82:57 so the referee
has effectively caused an additional delay of 25 seconds.
>
> At 85:39 the ball goes out of play, I thought for a City throw
but it was awarded to Brentford, never mind. A Brentford player
picks up the ball the leaves it for a second Brentford player
who decides he doesn't like that ball, walks 10 yards towards
the City end to pick up the multiball, picks up a towel and
wipes it whist walking 5yds back towards where the ball went
out, is told to move further back and moves a few yards further
back, lines up to take a long run up to throw the ball into the
City area at 86:30.
>
> So it has taken Brentford 51 seconds to take a throw and no
action is taken by the referee whilst City are show a yellow
card after 25 seconds - why?
>
--- End Quote ---
Well your point is a good one but there is one very clear and
obvious answer to this.
Manchester City were winning by 1 goal. The game was still in
the balance and in my opinion if the referee feels like a team
are taking time out the game when winning or trying to hold out
for a draw, then a YC can be expected fairly quickly. If
Brentford want to take nearly a minute to take a throw when
losing then let them. They are wasting their own time more than
anything else.
#Post#: 96141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: Claretman
Date: October 6, 2025, 8:18 am
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--- Quote from: TA_Ref link ---
>
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=7296.msg96138#msg96138
date=1759747398]
> I wonder if someone can explain to me what goes on in a
referee's mind. At 82:07 the ball goes out of play for a City
throw half way inside the Brentford half. the Brentford manager
kicks the ball back onto the pitch ending up about 10yds in the
pitch. O'Reilly moves to take the free kick and a Brentford
player taps the ball about 5yds in his direction. O'Reilly
walks onto the pitch picks up the ball briefly wipes it in his
shirt and is in position to take the throw at 82:15, throws the
ball in at 82:32 as the referee issues him with a yellow card,
which seems harsh in comparison to what happens regularly. The
throw in is finally taken by Brentford at 82:57 so the referee
has effectively caused an additional delay of 25 seconds.
>
> At 85:39 the ball goes out of play, I thought for a City throw
but it was awarded to Brentford, never mind. A Brentford player
picks up the ball the leaves it for a second Brentford player
who decides he doesn't like that ball, walks 10 yards towards
the City end to pick up the multiball, picks up a towel and
wipes it whist walking 5yds back towards where the ball went
out, is told to move further back and moves a few yards further
back, lines up to take a long run up to throw the ball into the
City area at 86:30.
>
> So it has taken Brentford 51 seconds to take a throw and no
action is taken by the referee whilst City are show a yellow
card after 25 seconds - why?
>
--- End Quote ---
Well your point is a good one but there is one very clear and
obvious answer to this.
Manchester City were winning by 1 goal. The game was still in
the balance and in my opinion if the referee feels like a team
are taking time out the game when winning or trying to hold out
for a draw, then a YC can be expected fairly quickly. If
Brentford want to take nearly a minute to take a throw when
losing then let them. They are wasting their own time more than
anything else.
[/quote]
I would agree with you but if Brentford had scored in the phase
of play after the throw in then they are denying city time to
get another goal, so in my opinion if you penalise one side you
should the other no matter who is winning.
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Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: TA_Ref
Date: October 6, 2025, 8:54 am
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> [quote author=TA_Ref link=topic=7296.msg96139#msg96139
date=1759748615]
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=7296.msg96138#msg96138
date=1759747398]
> I wonder if someone can explain to me what goes on in a
referee's mind. At 82:07 the ball goes out of play for a City
throw half way inside the Brentford half. the Brentford manager
kicks the ball back onto the pitch ending up about 10yds in the
pitch. O'Reilly moves to take the free kick and a Brentford
player taps the ball about 5yds in his direction. O'Reilly
walks onto the pitch picks up the ball briefly wipes it in his
shirt and is in position to take the throw at 82:15, throws the
ball in at 82:32 as the referee issues him with a yellow card,
which seems harsh in comparison to what happens regularly. The
throw in is finally taken by Brentford at 82:57 so the referee
has effectively caused an additional delay of 25 seconds.
>
> At 85:39 the ball goes out of play, I thought for a City throw
but it was awarded to Brentford, never mind. A Brentford player
picks up the ball the leaves it for a second Brentford player
who decides he doesn't like that ball, walks 10 yards towards
the City end to pick up the multiball, picks up a towel and
wipes it whist walking 5yds back towards where the ball went
out, is told to move further back and moves a few yards further
back, lines up to take a long run up to throw the ball into the
City area at 86:30.
>
> So it has taken Brentford 51 seconds to take a throw and no
action is taken by the referee whilst City are show a yellow
card after 25 seconds - why?
>
--- End Quote ---
Well your point is a good one but there is one very clear and
obvious answer to this.
Manchester City were winning by 1 goal. The game was still in
the balance and in my opinion if the referee feels like a team
are taking time out the game when winning or trying to hold out
for a draw, then a YC can be expected fairly quickly. If
Brentford want to take nearly a minute to take a throw when
losing then let them. They are wasting their own time more than
anything else.
[/quote]
I would agree with you but if Brentford had scored in the phase
of play after the throw in then they are denying city time to
get another goal, so in my opinion if you penalise one side you
should the other no matter who is winning.
[/quote]
You raise an excellent point to be fair.
Reminds me of a couple of years ago when Oxford (couldn’t tell
you the manager) were told to time waste during the game to try
and get lots of added time (even if they were a goal down) and
they’d throw the kitchen sink at the game in last 5 minutes plus
added time.
It’s certainly a risky tactic that may work for some but more
often than not would result in failure.
#Post#: 96151--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: rustyref
Date: October 6, 2025, 11:24 am
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There would be a public outcry if a referee cautioned a player
for delaying the restart of play when his team was losing and
chasing a goal. He would without any doubt be accused of having
no common sense.
#Post#: 96153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Manchester City
DIR By: Claretman
Date: October 6, 2025, 11:29 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> There would be a public outcry if a referee cautioned a player
for delaying the restart of play when his team was losing and
chasing a goal. He would without any doubt be accused of having
no common sense.
>
--- End Quote ---
Those last two words have been deminished from life over the
recent years.
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