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#Post#: 95180--------------------------------------------------
Simulation
DIR By: TA_Ref
Date: September 12, 2025, 11:48 am
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HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckg6y5rj348o
From the article, Gillingham’s Garath McCleary has been given a
two match ban for simulation after winning a penalty against
Bromley on Saturday. I have no problem with the punishment as it
is a good way to try and eradicate simulation from our game.
It’s not a way that teams should win or draw football matches.
We play football not diving.
I wasn’t aware that acts of simulation can lead to two match
bans. If so, why am I not seeing this punishment higher up in
the Premier League. There’s so much simulation so why are the
Premier League not punishing it. One of those things that will
frustrate people, especially Gillingham fans cause if they see
simulation in league two or watching prem games on TV, they will
expect a similar punishment.
Like I said, I have no major problem with the punishment but why
is it not consistent. I want to see this happen in the Premier
League more.
#Post#: 95181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: September 12, 2025, 11:52 am
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VAR is in use in the Premiership. Simulation is unlikely to lead
to an injustice and in theory is a deterrent. Outside the
Premiership there is no safety net and I guess simulation has to
be deterred. What else can you do?
#Post#: 95189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: Seagull
Date: September 13, 2025, 2:12 am
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In the specific case in the Bromley v. Gillingham game, what
prompted the panel to look at the incident? Does the panel
review every penalty kick award in every game or did Bromley
lodge a complaint?
#Post#: 95338--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: Vissla7
Date: September 16, 2025, 3:58 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> In the specific case in the Bromley v. Gillingham game, what
prompted the panel to look at the incident? Does the panel
review every penalty kick award in every game or did Bromley
lodge a complaint?
>
--- End Quote ---
The panel indeed does look at every penalty kick awarded and
also not awarded, it's the observer in the stand who makes a
note of the Key Match Incidents/Decisions before confirming
these with the match official team on the day in the debrief.
As this specific simulation incident led to a penalty being
awarded AND a goal being scored the FA deemed serious
retrospective action needed, I would hazard a guess that the
punishment if the penalty was saved/match result is not altered,
it's one game instead.
The panel will also look at KMIs/KMD's where goals are
awarded/not awarded (potential fouls/offsides), Direct red cards
issued/not issued, Second yellow cards issued/not issued and
there may be others on the list for them to review.
#Post#: 95348--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: mbj44
Date: September 16, 2025, 5:00 am
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This has actually been a thing since 2017 called successful
deception of match official, fixed 2 game ban. Shaun Miller was
the first person to be suspended as a result in Oct 2017 during
Carlisle vs Wycombe.
HTML https://www.thefa.com/news/2017/oct/19/shaun-miller-carlisle-united-charged-for-successful-deception-of-a-match-official-191017
I honestly thought it was one of those initiatives that had just
faded away after a season or so as its so rarely enforced
#Post#: 95351--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: September 16, 2025, 6:15 am
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--- Quote from: Vissla7 link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=7216.msg95189#msg95189
date=1757747525]
> In the specific case in the Bromley v. Gillingham game, what
prompted the panel to look at the incident? Does the panel
review every penalty kick award in every game or did Bromley
lodge a complaint?
>
--- End Quote ---
The panel indeed does look at every penalty kick awarded and
also not awarded, it's the observer in the stand who makes a
note of the Key Match Incidents/Decisions before confirming
these with the match official team on the day in the debrief.
As this specific simulation incident led to a penalty being
awarded AND a goal being scored the FA deemed serious
retrospective action needed, I would hazard a guess that the
punishment if the penalty was saved/match result is not altered,
it's one game instead.
The panel will also look at KMIs/KMD's where goals are
awarded/not awarded (potential fouls/offsides), Direct red cards
issued/not issued, Second yellow cards issued/not issued and
there may be others on the list for them to review.
[/quote]
Whether the goal was ultimately scored from the penalty is
irrelevant. What matters is that the player successfully
deceived the match official, leading to a penalty being awarded.
Under the rules, this results in a two-match suspension. In
contrast, if the deception had been recognised during the game,
the offence of simulation would only have attracted a yellow
card. Whether the additional sanction was worth the initial
gain can only be judged by the player and Gillingham. Either
way, Bromley will feel aggrieved.
#Post#: 95355--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: Seagull
Date: September 16, 2025, 10:42 am
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--- Quote from: Vissla7 link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=7216.msg95189#msg95189
date=1757747525]
> In the specific case in the Bromley v. Gillingham game, what
prompted the panel to look at the incident? Does the panel
review every penalty kick award in every game or did Bromley
lodge a complaint?
>
--- End Quote ---
The panel indeed does look at every penalty kick awarded and
also not awarded, it's the observer in the stand who makes a
note of the Key Match Incidents/Decisions before confirming
these with the match official team on the day in the debrief.
As this specific simulation incident led to a penalty being
awarded AND a goal being scored the FA deemed serious
retrospective action needed, I would hazard a guess that the
punishment if the penalty was saved/match result is not altered,
it's one game instead.
The panel will also look at KMIs/KMD's where goals are
awarded/not awarded (potential fouls/offsides), Direct red cards
issued/not issued, Second yellow cards issued/not issued and
there may be others on the list for them to review.
[/quote]
Thank you for the information. The panel must be kept very busy!
[emoji4]
#Post#: 95356--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: Seagull
Date: September 16, 2025, 10:48 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=Vissla7 link=topic=7216.msg95338#msg95338
date=1758013089]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=7216.msg95189#msg95189
date=1757747525]
> In the specific case in the Bromley v. Gillingham game, what
prompted the panel to look at the incident? Does the panel
review every penalty kick award in every game or did Bromley
lodge a complaint?
>
--- End Quote ---
The panel indeed does look at every penalty kick awarded and
also not awarded, it's the observer in the stand who makes a
note of the Key Match Incidents/Decisions before confirming
these with the match official team on the day in the debrief.
As this specific simulation incident led to a penalty being
awarded AND a goal being scored the FA deemed serious
retrospective action needed, I would hazard a guess that the
punishment if the penalty was saved/match result is not altered,
it's one game instead.
The panel will also look at KMIs/KMD's where goals are
awarded/not awarded (potential fouls/offsides), Direct red cards
issued/not issued, Second yellow cards issued/not issued and
there may be others on the list for them to review.
[/quote]
Whether the goal was ultimately scored from the penalty is
irrelevant. What matters is that the player successfully
deceived the match official, leading to a penalty being awarded.
Under the rules, this results in a two-match suspension. In
contrast, if the deception had been recognised during the game,
the offence of simulation would only have attracted a yellow
card. Whether the additional sanction was worth the initial
gain can only be judged by the player and Gillingham. Either
way, Bromley will feel aggrieved.
[/quote]
Thank you for the additional information. A player involved in
an act of simulation is certainly taking a risk. Caution if
detected, 2 match suspension if penalty kick awarded.
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Re: Simulation
DIR By: mac
Date: September 16, 2025, 11:00 am
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My dad (not a football fan) thinks simulation should be a
penalty against the simulator….discuss…!
#Post#: 95361--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simulation
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 16, 2025, 12:40 pm
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--- Quote from: mac link ---
>
> My dad (not a football fan) thinks simulation should be a
penalty against the simulator….discuss…!
>
--- End Quote ---
Whilst I'm in a generous mood, I could get on board with this -
penalty, red card & automatic 3 match ban, please & thank you.
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