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Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: robbie_scouse
Date: September 10, 2025, 2:16 pm
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=olliebcafc link=topic=7204.msg95132#msg95132
date=1757522317]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=7204.msg95130#msg95130
date=1757519606]
> [quote author=Vissla7 link=topic=7204.msg95027#msg95027
date=1757328019]
> Such a bizarre week for Scunthorpe who have found themselves
on the end of 2 abandoned games within 4 days!
>
--- End Quote ---
In rather different circumstances. Shame on Wealdstone. Hope
rather than expect that the NL do the right thing.
[/quote]
Scunthorpe were handed the points as a 0-0 win, no change to
goal difference. A dangerous precedent if you ask me.
[/quote]
What would have been a dangerous precedent was replaying the
match !
[/quote]
Playing devil’s advocate here but, say on the last day of the
season, a team are losing 6-0 and getting relegated on goal
difference.
They can effectively forfeit a match knowing they’ll still get
zero points but no effect on their goal difference, which could
be a deciding factor.
Surely that’s the dangerous precedent?
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Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: JCFC
Date: September 10, 2025, 2:23 pm
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--- Quote from: robbie_scouse link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=7204.msg95135#msg95135
date=1757523329]
> [quote author=olliebcafc link=topic=7204.msg95132#msg95132
date=1757522317]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=7204.msg95130#msg95130
date=1757519606]
> [quote author=Vissla7 link=topic=7204.msg95027#msg95027
date=1757328019]
> Such a bizarre week for Scunthorpe who have found themselves
on the end of 2 abandoned games within 4 days!
>
--- End Quote ---
In rather different circumstances. Shame on Wealdstone. Hope
rather than expect that the NL do the right thing.
[/quote]
Scunthorpe were handed the points as a 0-0 win, no change to
goal difference. A dangerous precedent if you ask me.
[/quote]
What would have been a dangerous precedent was replaying the
match !
[/quote]
Playing devil’s advocate here but, say on the last day of the
season, a team are losing 6-0 and getting relegated on goal
difference.
They can effectively forfeit a match knowing they’ll still get
zero points but no effect on their goal difference, which could
be a deciding factor.
Surely that’s the dangerous precedent?
[/quote]
It is to be hoped that if such a case arose, retrospective
punishment would be imposed, as it was in the case of Somerset's
declaration after just one over, back in 1979.
#Post#: 95147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 10, 2025, 2:54 pm
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--- Quote from: robbie_scouse link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=7204.msg95135#msg95135
date=1757523329]
> [quote author=olliebcafc link=topic=7204.msg95132#msg95132
date=1757522317]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=7204.msg95130#msg95130
date=1757519606]
> [quote author=Vissla7 link=topic=7204.msg95027#msg95027
date=1757328019]
> Such a bizarre week for Scunthorpe who have found themselves
on the end of 2 abandoned games within 4 days!
>
--- End Quote ---
In rather different circumstances. Shame on Wealdstone. Hope
rather than expect that the NL do the right thing.
[/quote]
Scunthorpe were handed the points as a 0-0 win, no change to
goal difference. A dangerous precedent if you ask me.
[/quote]
What would have been a dangerous precedent was replaying the
match !
[/quote]
Playing devil’s advocate here but, say on the last day of the
season, a team are losing 6-0 and getting relegated on goal
difference.
They can effectively forfeit a match knowing they’ll still get
zero points but no effect on their goal difference, which could
be a deciding factor.
Surely that’s the dangerous precedent?
[/quote]
No, as the threat of points deductions is there.
#Post#: 95158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: Vissla7
Date: September 11, 2025, 2:35 am
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The board of directors from Wealdstone apparently were very
quick to advise the National League that they believed
Scunthorpe should receive the win/points which may have helped
the decision.
Source -
HTML https://www.wealdstone-fc.com/post/outcome-of-abandoned-fixture-at-scunthorpe-united
National League Rule 8.38 - Is whereby the board deem one club
to be at fault, therefore in this instance Wealdstone, for
refusing to continue.
As the refereeing team and Scunthorpe were ready to restart the
game (incident occurred in the 90th minute with 11 minutes
initially added on, score at 2-1 to Scunthorpe United)
In contrast to the Eastleigh game, that was deemed to be Rule
8.37 which means neither club was at fault.
(This fixture being 1-1 in the 97th minute with 8 minutes
initially added on).
The board did have 2 options with the Eastleigh v Scunthorpe
result which the 1st is to allow the result to stand but I'm
guessing they simply felt it necessary to fall back to the 2nd
option, of replaying the entire fixture.
In relation to the Wealdstone game they had 3 options, 1. Allow
the fixture to stand (3 point win and +1 GD for Scunthorpe), 2.
Replay the fixture in its entirety and 3. Award either 1 point
or 3 points (but no GD increase) to the club not at fault.
In any instance where a club or in some instances both, clubs
are at fault the rules are clear in that no financial penalty
cannot be imposed.
There is interestingly no mention of potential points deductions
for recurring incidents, I wonder if that falls somewhere else
in the rules.
#Post#: 95162--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 11, 2025, 5:51 am
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I remember a few games in Hungary that were abandoned due to
rather violent thunderstorms, they would be replayed from the
minute of the abandonment with the score as was and the same 22
players on the pitch. They would use footage from the abandoned
game to ascertain where on the pitch the players were and they'd
start in those positions (or as close as to them) with the
restart being whatever it would have been had the ref not
ordered everyone off the pitch due to the lightning.
Is playing the rest of the game out not an option here?
#Post#: 95168--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: jad
Date: September 11, 2025, 9:29 am
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Restarting an abandoned game from the point where it was
interrupted is, I think, standard procedure in a number of
(perhaps even most) countries. There was a case a few years ago
of team that had to travel the length of Italy to play the last
few minutes of a fixture. I believe the same procedure can
also apply at international level.
#Post#: 95183--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 12, 2025, 1:50 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> I remember a few games in Hungary that were abandoned due to
rather violent thunderstorms, they would be replayed from the
minute of the abandonment with the score as was and the same 22
players on the pitch. They would use footage from the abandoned
game to ascertain where on the pitch the players were and they'd
start in those positions (or as close as to them) with the
restart being whatever it would have been had the ref not
ordered everyone off the pitch due to the lightning.
>
> Is playing the rest of the game out not an option here?
>
--- End Quote ---
No, not an option in England, either the result stands or the
entire game is replayed. It might be related to a policing /
regulation issue, we know that FA Cup replays (when they were
still a thing) couldn't be in that week and had to be the week
after. After that amount of lapsed time how could you guarantee
that you would restart with the same 11 that finished? What
happens if the star striker was injured that day and is now fit
to return, and conveniently the backup striker is now injured so
can't play?
#Post#: 95383--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: jad
Date: September 18, 2025, 7:31 am
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Apologies for the delayed response, but it occurs to me that
there is another procedure that appears to be standard in most
football jurisdictions except England (I can't speak for the
other home countries). When a fixture fails to start or is
abandoned and one of the teams is judged to be at fault, the
game is awarded to the other team with a score of 3-0. One can
debate whether this procedure always produces the fairest
outcome (though in extreme cases it is aways possible to inflect
a more severe penalty), but it does seem to be widely accepted.
Given this and other matters raised in this thread and
elsewhere, I am increasingly coming round to the view the
guiding principle of the FA is 'They're all out of step but our
Johnny'.
#Post#: 95384--------------------------------------------------
Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 18, 2025, 10:33 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=7204.msg95162#msg95162
date=1757587898]
> I remember a few games in Hungary that were abandoned due to
rather violent thunderstorms, they would be replayed from the
minute of the abandonment with the score as was and the same 22
players on the pitch. They would use footage from the abandoned
game to ascertain where on the pitch the players were and they'd
start in those positions (or as close as to them) with the
restart being whatever it would have been had the ref not
ordered everyone off the pitch due to the lightning.
>
> Is playing the rest of the game out not an option here?
>
--- End Quote ---
What happens if the star striker was injured that day and is now
fit to return, and conveniently the backup striker is now
injured so can't play?
[/quote]
I think with ours, especially as they tend to be storm related
end up being "finished" either later that day or the following
day so tends to cut down on the star striker suddenly no longer
injured and available scenario. I assume there is guidance
available with the Federation for if there is a prolonged gap
between games.
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Re: Declan Bourne - Scunthorpe United v. Wealdstone
DIR By: jad
Date: September 19, 2025, 4:38 am
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It is also worth remembering that until the advent of the Clean
Air Acts and the mass installation of floodlighting at football
league grounds (both of which happened at about the same time),
it was common for games in England to be abandoned because of
fog. These games could not be replayed until the arrival of
lighter evenings towards the end of the season.
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