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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: April 8, 2020, 12:26 pm
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Another final match to add...
Ivan Smith (Accrington): Peterborough 3 Shrewsbury 2, Division
3, 24.4.1976.
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: April 8, 2020, 1:00 pm
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Thanks LF, now included on the database.
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: June 17, 2020, 4:47 am
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Two more final matches:
Harold Davey - Chester 2 Crystal Palace 1, 4.5.1976, Division 3;
John Gow - Crystal Palace 5 Blackburn 0, 29.4.1978, Division 2.
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: June 17, 2020, 9:33 am
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Thanks LF, I have amended the database. Interesting that both
games involved my beloved Crystal Palace. I recall the Blackburn
game, mainly from the point of view of the margin of victory,
bearing in mind that it was 9th v 5th in Div 2. However I don't
think I was there and was probably plying my trade on a
contributory league that afternoon. I am sure John Gow would
have preferred to have bowed out the following weekend at
Wembley, but that honour went, perhaps surprisingly, to Derek
Nippard. Harold Davey must also count himself unlucky to have
bowed out with a fairly meaningless Div 3 game at Chester and
one which was played three days after the Cup Final. Right up
until a couple of weeks before, the Palace were in the running
for promotion, but 0-0 home draws v Aldershot and Chesterfield
(I was present at that one, ref Ken Burns) did it for them and
the Chester game became a bit of a dead rubber. Bearing in mind
that this was the season that Palace went all the way from the
1st round of the FA Cup to the semi-final, I wonder whether the
Chester game was a re-arranged fixture, as playing midweek after
the Cup Final was unusual. If this was the case, perhaps Harold
had been appointed to the original game and was re-appointed
when the fixture was rearranged (a bit like David Hutchinson
with the title decider in 1988/9)?
When will I be in a position to amend the database again with
this season's departures and when will the list for next season
be published I wonder, bearing in mind that some refs are still
very much active for a few weeks yet?
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Re: Final Games
By: ajb95 Date: June 17, 2020, 10:14 am
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Have you got Phil Dowd as a full game or a half game!
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Re: Final Games
By: John Treleven Date: June 17, 2020, 11:29 am
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Chester v Crystal Palace was due to be on Sat 3rd April 1976 but
delayed by F.A. Cup Semi-Final appearance that day
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: June 17, 2020, 12:20 pm
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=718.msg18040#msg18040
date=1592404386]
Thanks LF, I have amended the database. Interesting that both
games involved my beloved Crystal Palace. I recall the Blackburn
game, mainly from the point of view of the margin of victory,
bearing in mind that it was 9th v 5th in Div 2. However I don't
think I was there and was probably plying my trade on a
contributory league that afternoon. I am sure John Gow would
have preferred to have bowed out the following weekend at
Wembley, but that honour went, perhaps surprisingly, to Derek
Nippard. Harold Davey must also count himself unlucky to have
bowed out with a fairly meaningless Div 3 game at Chester and
one which was played three days after the Cup Final. Right up
until a couple of weeks before, the Palace were in the running
for promotion, but 0-0 home draws v Aldershot and Chesterfield
(I was present at that one, ref Ken Burns) did it for them and
the Chester game became a bit of a dead rubber. Bearing in mind
that this was the season that Palace went all the way from the
1st round of the FA Cup to the semi-final, I wonder whether the
Chester game was a re-arranged fixture, as playing midweek after
the Cup Final was unusual. If this was the case, perhaps Harold
had been appointed to the original game and was re-appointed
when the fixture was rearranged (a bit like David Hutchinson
with the title decider in 1988/9)?
When will I be in a position to amend the database again with
this season's departures and when will the list for next season
be published I wonder, bearing in mind that some refs are still
very much active for a few weeks yet?
[/quote]
One thing I meant to add for the 1978 match was that David
Hutchinson was one of the linesmen so it was probably his last
match on the line before being promoted to the full List of
referees. We tend to think of retiring referees being given top
Division or other very notable games as their swansong but that
wasn't so common in that era and so it isn't unusual to see them
finish with matches in Divisions 2, 3 and 4. In a few cases this
was because it was a fixture rearranged after the season's end
and the norm was that a referee would handle the rearranged
fixture unless he was unavailable. This could also affect top
referees so Eric Jennings's last League match was Oldham v Crewe
in Division 4 although he did have the Cup Final replay to
follow. George Courtney's last League match was a Division 3
game between Stockport and Birmingham but he did a Play-off
Final after that.
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 10, 2020, 9:11 am
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Graham Horwood and Eddie Ilderton were already on my database of
Final Games. Two new additions:
Nicholas Kinseley - Portsmouth v Rochdale, February 2020
Paul Marsden - Leyton Orient v Cambridge, March 2020 (source
Soccerbase)
Early in the season for final games for obvious reasons. I
suspect that neither Nicholas nor Paul realised for a moment
that these games would be their last on the list, even if they
were thinking of jacking it in at the end of the season.
I will amend my Final Game database.
Admin - any chance of pinning this thread please? I'd be
grateful if it could.
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: September 10, 2020, 9:20 am
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And here is the amended Final Games database:
Referees Final Games 1946 to 2020
1946-79 (as per Uptons, RTR contributors and memories)
R Armstrong Peterborough v Gillingham, May 1974
K Aston Man Utd v Leicester (at Wembley), May 1963
C Barrick, Man Utd v Blackpool (at Wembley), Apr 1948
F Bassett Walsall v Halifax, May 1973
J Bent Wolves v Aston Villa, May 1978 (lined the FA Cup Final
later the same week)
N Burtenshaw Derby v Everton, Apr 1973
L Callaghan Aston Villa v Reading, May 1971
R Capey Preston v Portsmouth, May 1977
J Carr WBA v Liverpool (6th round 2nd replay at Maine Road,
Manchester), Apr 1968
J Clarke Man Utd v Sunderland, May 1968
J Clough Nottingham Forest v Luton (at Wembley), May 1959
A Cox Portsmouth v Port Vale, Dec 1979
R Crabb Plymouth v Bradford City, May 1978
H Davey Chester v Crystal Palace, May 1976
A Dimond Leeds, 1970
E Garner York v Reading, May 1977
W J Gow Crystal Palace v Blackburn, April 1978
H Hackney Wrexham v Mansfield, May 1977
L Hayes Peterborough v Walsall, May 1977
G Hill Brentford v Doncaster, Apr 1975
A Holland West Ham v Preston (at Wembley), May 1964
H Horner Nottingham Forest v Burnley, Apr 1964
K Howley Tottenham v Arsenal, May 1971
V James Walsall v Port Vale, April 1974
E Jennings Chelsea v Leeds (at Old Trafford), Apr 1970
R Johnson Leeds v Leicester, Nov 1971
W Johnson Liverpool v Man City, May 1978
A W Jones Chesterfield v Brighton, May 1977
G Jones Darlington v Hartlepool, Apr 1972
I Jones Exeter v Cambridge, Apr 1975
R Kirkpatrick Bolton v Spurs, May 1979
A Lees Aston Villa v Chelsea, Apr 1978
K Markham Watford v Plymouth, Apr 1969
R Matthewson Man Utd v Liverpool (at Wembley), May 1977
G McCabe Man City v Leicester (at Wembley), Apr 1969
D Nippard Ipswich v Arsenal (at Wembley), May 1978
F Phipps Hereford v Walsall, January 1980
G Pullin Tottenham v Blackpool, Jan 1963
D W Smith Man Utd v Man City, Apr 1974
I Smith Peterborough v Shrewsbury, April 1976
J Taylor Arsenal v Middlesbrough, May 1977
J Thacker Tottenham v Wolves, April 1973
R Tinkler Oldham v WBA, Apr 1976
D Turner Rochdale v Northampton, May 1979
P Walters Ipswich v Derby, Apr 1976
1980 to present (Uptons, Soccerbase, World Football,
Transfermarkt, RTR contributors and other websites plus
memories)
P Alcock Norwich v Stockport, Apr 2002
G Aplin Aston Villa v Chelsea, May 1991
P Armstrong Darlington v Rochdale, May 2008
G Ashby Arsenal v Everton, May 1998
N Ashley Halifax v Rochdale, Aug 1987
J Ashworth Crystal Palace v Man Utd, May 1991
D Axcell Millwall v Bristol Rovers, May 1993
M Bailey Stoke v Man City, May 1998
S Baines Bradford City v Portsmouth, May 2003
J Ball Wrexham v Stockport, May 1986
G Barber Bolton v Fulham, May 2004
K Barratt Oldham v West Ham, Apr 1994
N Barry Bolton v Everton, May 2005
A Bates Chesterfield v Exeter, Apr 2013
R Beeby Wolves v Doncaster, May 2009
S Bennett Aston Villa v Blackburn, May 2010
C Berry Oxford v Cambridge, Apr 2015
M Bodenham Sheffield Wednesday v Aston Villa, May 1998
R Booth Stevenage v Accrington, May 2011
I Borrett Chelsea v Coventry, May 1994
M Brandwood Preston v Nottingham Forest, April 2002
M Brown Hartlepool v Doncaster, May 2017
S Bratt Port Vale v Sheffield Utd, Apr 2014
A Buksh Nottingham Forest v Man City, Feb 1993
M Bull Sheffield United v Scunthorpe, May 2016
T Bune, Wigan v Brentford, June 1985
L Burden Chelsea v Norwich, May 1985
K Burge Man Utd v Aston Villa, May 1999
W Burns Blackpool v Hartlepool, May 2001
A Butler Coventry v Crystal Palace, May 2004
L Cable Chesterfield v MK Dons, Sept 2004
G Cain Stoke v Gillingham, May 2004
R Chadwick Derby v Fulham, May 1983
A Challinor Liverpool v Coventry, May 1984
R Clark Mansfield v Crewe, Apr 2018
M Clattenburg WBA v Leicester, Apr 2017
L Collins Swindon v Crewe, Apr 2019
K (Keith) Cooper Blackburn v Arsenal, Apr 1996
M Cooper Cardiff v Wimbledon, May 2004
M Cotton Swansea v Lincoln, May 1987
B Coddington Darlington v Exeter, May 1999
G Courtney Blackburn v Leicester (at Wembley), May 1992
M Cowburn Shrewsbury v Lincoln, Sept 2006
D Crick Watford v Reading, May 2004
A Crickmore Bristol Rovers v Millwall, May 1984
P Crossley Leeds v Burnley, Apr 2011
B Curson Plymouth v Ipswich, Apr 2006
P Danson Wigan v QPR, Apr 2005
D Deadman Luton v Blackpool, May 2017
R Desmond Mansfield v Bristol Rovers, Dec 2005
L Dilkes Coventry v Derby, May 1997
P Don Blackburn v Newcastle, May 1995
S Dorr Rushden v Notts County, Feb 2006
P Dowd WBA v Southampton, Feb 2015
S Dunn Ipswich v West Ham, May 2005
P Durkin - Arsenal v Leicester, May 2004
A DUrso Preston v Chesterfield, May 2015
R East Crystal Palace v AFC Bournemouth, May 2019
D Elleray Newcastle v Birmingham, May 2003
E Evans Wrexham v Brentford, May 2005
K Evans Aldershot v Rotherham, Apr 2011
C Finch Peterborough v Leyton Orient, Sept 1997
M Fletcher Southampton v Leicester, Apr 2006
P Foakes Bolton v Reading (at Wembley), May 1995
D Foster Bristol Rovers v Sheffield Wednesday, Apr 2011
C Foy Man City v Southampton, May 2015
D Frampton Norwich v Oldham, May 1994
G Frankland Macclesfield v Barnsley, Sept 2002
R Furnandiz Rochdale v Rushden, Apr 2002
D Gallagher Liverpool v Charlton, May 2007
P Gibbs - Yeovil v Leyton Orient, May 2016
R Gifford Plymouth v Hartlepool, May 1996
F Graham Notts County v Carlisle, May 2016
A Grey Man Utd v Brighton (at Wembley), May 1983
A Gunn Tottenham v QPR, May 1994
R Guy Man Utd v Astoon Villa, May 1987
K Hackett Man Utd v Liverpool, March 1994
A Hall Shrewsbury v Torquay, Oct 2010
M Halsey Man City v Norwich, May 2013
R Hamer Portsmouth v Grimsby, May 1993
R Harris Peterborough v Bury, Apr 2002
M Haywood Shrewsbury v Millwall, Apr 2017
D Hedges Leicester v Sheffield United, May 1990
G Hegley Ipswich v Watford, March 2011
T Heilbron Ipswich v Barnsley (at Wembley), May 2000
I Hemley Brighton v York, May 1996
I Hendricks Watford v Oxford, May 1993
M Heywood Bury v Carlisle, Sept 2018
B Hill Everton v Chelsea, May 1995
K Hill Leeds v Charlton, Apr 2016
T Holbrook Everton v Southampton, May 1995
G Horwood Peterborough v Fleetwood, Apr 2018
J Hough Everton v QPR, May 1985
J Hunting Everton v Watford (at Wembley), May 1984
E Ilderton Forest Green v Tranmere, May 2019
J Ireland Burnley v Cardiff, May 1988
M James Bristol City v Brentford, May 1993
M Jones WBA v Tottenham, May 2018
P Jones Tottenham v Liverpool, Apr 2002
T Jones Chesterfield v Port Vale, Oct 2001
W Jordan, Swindon v Wycombe, Apr 2002
P Joslin Southampton v Sheffield United, May 2008
A Kaye Crewe v Coventry, May 2005
N Kinseley Portsmouth v Rochdale, Feb 2020
J Kirkby Bolton v Norwich, May 2000
B Knight Barnsley v Plymouth, Aug 2007
D Laws Crewe v Stockport, Oct 2001
G Laws Shrewsbury v Bury, May 2009
K Leach Tranmere v Crystal Palace, May 2000
A Leake Sheffield Utd v Crystal Palace, Apr 2006
R Lee Brighton v Hartlepool, Apr 2008
G Lewis Shrewsbury v Lincoln, Apr 2006
S Lodge Ipswich v Man City, May 2001
E Lomas Bournemouth v Millwall, Dec 2000
K Lynch Ipswich v Walsall, May 2000
R Madley Aston Villa v Middlesbrough, May 2018
B Malone Gillingham v Plymouth, May 2018
P Marsden Leyton Orient v Cambridge, March 2020
J Martin Birmingham v Bradford City, May 1993
S Mathieson Carlisle v Hartlepool, May 2015
D McDermid Chesterfield v Brentford, May 2012
P Melin Grimsby v Peterborough, Apr 2008
M Messias WBA v Reading, Jan 2006
N Midgley West Ham v Nottingham Forest, May 1992
R Milford - Leicester v Derby (at Wembley), May 1994
N Miller Blackpool v Luton, May 2017
P Miller Oxford v Hartlepool, March 2015
T Mills Tottenham v Southampton, May 1990
D Mohareb Rochdale v Dagenham, Sept 2012
K Morton West Ham v Blackburn, Apr 1995
M Naylor Fleetwood v Burton (at Wembley), May 2014
R Nixon Newcastle v Leicester, May 1993
C Oliver Gillingham v Shrewsbury (at Wembley), May 2009
R Olivier Macclesfield v Bristol Rovers, Apr 2007
G Owen Wolves v West Ham, May 1982
T Parkes Lincoln v Leyton Orient, Apr 2006
P Partridge Nottingham Forest v Coventry, May 1981
R Pearson Wigan v West Ham, May 2004
M Peck Huddersfield v Blackpool, Apr 1994
A Penn Exeter v Notts County, Nov 2010
C Penton Plymouth v Barnsley, May 2009
D Philips Brentford v Stevenage, May 2014
M Pierce Sunderland v Birmingham, May 1999
M Pike Wolves v Plymouth, May 2008
G Poll Derby v WBA (at Wembley), May 2007
L Probert Southampton v Huddersfield, May 2019
P Prosser Tranmere v Port Vale, Apr 2005
D Pugh Sunderland v Crystal Palace, May 2004
P Quinn Accrington v Carlisle, Sept 2011
E Read - Brighton v Sheffield United, May 1985
K Redfern Man City v Everton, May 1993
M Reed Arsenal v Chelsea, May 2000
P Reeves Cardiff v West Ham, May 1981
P Rejer Derby v Ipswich, May 2003
U Rennie Tottenham v Liverpool, May 2008
P Richards Birmingham v Sheffield United, Apr 2002
M Riley Fulham v Everton, May 2009
F Roberts Coventry v Liverpool, May 1990
A (Alan) Robinson Liverpool v Everton (at Wembley), May 1986
J P Robinson Stoke v Norwich, Oct 2006
J Ross Cambridge v Rochdale, Apr 2005
J Rushton Huddersfield v Portsmouth, May 1996
S Rushton Bury v Portsmouth, Apr 2014
M Russell Blackpool v Huddersfield, May 2015
M Ryan Hartlepool v Lincoln, Nov 2004
M Scott Preston v Colchester, May 1987
C Seel Sheffield Wednesday v QPR, May 1987
D Shadwell Rochdale v York, Apr 1993
D Sheldrake Walsall v Oldham, Apr 2015
R Shoebridge Accrington v Barnet, Apr 2011
G Singh Lincoln v Wycombe, May 1999
J Singh Yeovil v Oldham, May 2010
F Stretton Torquay v Kidderminster May 2004
R Styles Chelsea v Blackburn, May 2009
G Sutton Notts County v Crawley, Sept 2015
N Swarbrick Tottenham v Newcastle, May 2018
S Tanner Cardiff v Portsmouth, Jan 2012
M Taylor West Ham v Everton, May 1985
P Taylor Wycombe v Gillingham, May 2010
C Thomas Stoke v Wolves, May 1984
M Thorpe Coventry v Burnley, Oct 2008
S Tomlin Wycombe v Rushden, Oct 2004
P Tyldesley Man Utd v Man City, May 1991
P Walton Everton v WBA, March 2012
M Warren Rochdale v Oxford, Apr 2005
J Waugh Shrewsbury v Dagenham, Apr 2012
H Webb Hull City v Everton, May 2014
C Webster Sheffield Wednesday v Wycombe, May 2012
T West Preston v Walsall, May 1997
C White Tottenham v QPR (at Wembley), May 1982
A Wiley Leicester v Cardiff, May 2010
C Wilkes Grimsby v Brighton, May 2003
A Wilkie - Man Utd v Tottenham, May 2000
G Willard West Ham v Middlesbrough, May 1999
I Williamson AFC Wimbledon v Plymouth (at Wembley), May 2016
P Willis Everton v Southampton, May 1986
J Winter Man Utd v Millwall (at Cardiff), May 2004
E Wolstenholme Millwall v Coventry, May 2003
J Worrall Chelsea v Arsenal, May 1995
K Wright Rochdale v Gillingham, Apr 2016
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Re: Final Games
By: Leggy Date: September 10, 2020, 10:44 am
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D Axcell Millwall v Bristol Rovers, May 1993
So this was a "double last" as it was Millwall's final game at
the old Den. David was joined by Colin Henderson and John
Smythe on the lines for his final game (plus me on the Boards).
The game was interrupted by a couple of "good natured" pitch
invasions and ended a few minutes early after another. I
distinctly remember Millwall 'keeper Casey Keller trying to
reach the safety of the players' tunnel and finally doing so
wearing nothing more than a jock-strap - the rest of his kit
falling victim to souvenir hunters! I still used the dressing
room towel from that game in my gym kit until about two years
ago when Mrs Leggy insisted it would disintegrate if it went
through the washing machine again and it was finally retired.
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