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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: November 21, 2019, 3:06 am
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E Ilderton - Forest Green v Tranmere, May 2019 - added to the
Final Game database, see separate thread under General
Discussion.
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: January 15, 2020, 10:40 am
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As an update Dennis Turner's final match now seems to be
Rochdale 4 Northampton 1 on 5th May 1979. As per AT's initial
post I also had thought he hadn't refereed after an
Ipswich-Arsenal game in March 1979 and had left the List a
little early. However the referee profile for the Rochdale game
makes clear that it was due to be his final match and that he
had reached retirement age. This also surprised me as I was
under the impression he was short of the retirement age in 1979
(profiles suggest he was 35 in 1969 so only 45 in 1979). It's
possible the earlier profiles underestimated his age or the
Rochdale programme heard he was retiring and assumed it was on
age grounds. Whatever the case it seems we have a new final game
for him.
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: January 16, 2020, 10:01 am
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[quote author=Left Field link=topic=718.msg14804#msg14804
date=1579106448]
As an update Dennis Turner's final match now seems to be
Rochdale 4 Northampton 1 on 5th May 1979. As per AT's initial
post I also had thought he hadn't refereed after an
Ipswich-Arsenal game in March 1979 and had left the List a
little early. However the referee profile for the Rochdale game
makes clear that it was due to be his final match and that he
had reached retirement age. This also surprised me as I was
under the impression he was short of the retirement age in 1979
(profiles suggest he was 35 in 1969 so only 45 in 1979). It's
possible the earlier profiles underestimated his age or the
Rochdale programme heard he was retiring and assumed it was on
age grounds. Whatever the case it seems we have a new final game
for him.
[/quote]
Thank you LF for the update, I will amend the database. My
information on why I thought Dennis retired after the game at
Ipswich came from a RA colleague who was a linesman at the game
and who suggested that Dennis was in bits when Bobby Robson (the
Ipswich manager) came into the room because this was his last
game due to work reasons. Perhaps his boss had a temporary
change of heart but it wouldn't surprise me if Dennis did retire
earlier than he needed to.
Edit - wasn't Dennis another FL retiree who went off to the USA
to seek his fortune? If so, perhaps that made a difference to
the date of his retirement from the FL in 1979, but would have
precluded him from carrying on to the normal retirement age.
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: January 16, 2020, 6:25 pm
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=718.msg14821#msg14821
date=1579190483]
[quote author=Left Field link=topic=718.msg14804#msg14804
date=1579106448]
As an update Dennis Turner's final match now seems to be
Rochdale 4 Northampton 1 on 5th May 1979. As per AT's initial
post I also had thought he hadn't refereed after an
Ipswich-Arsenal game in March 1979 and had left the List a
little early. However the referee profile for the Rochdale game
makes clear that it was due to be his final match and that he
had reached retirement age. This also surprised me as I was
under the impression he was short of the retirement age in 1979
(profiles suggest he was 35 in 1969 so only 45 in 1979). It's
possible the earlier profiles underestimated his age or the
Rochdale programme heard he was retiring and assumed it was on
age grounds. Whatever the case it seems we have a new final game
for him.
[/quote]
Thank you LF for the update, I will amend the database. My
information on why I thought Dennis retired after the game at
Ipswich came from a RA colleague who was a linesman at the game
and who suggested that Dennis was in bits when Bobby Robson (the
Ipswich manager) came into the room because this was his last
game due to work reasons. Perhaps his boss had a temporary
change of heart but it wouldn't surprise me if Dennis did retire
earlier than he needed to.
Edit - wasn't Dennis another FL retiree who went off to the USA
to seek his fortune? If so, perhaps that made a difference to
the date of his retirement from the FL in 1979, but would have
precluded him from carrying on to the normal retirement age.
[/quote]
It's possible the game at Rochdale was an unexpected swansong.
It's also possible there was some misunderstanding about the
Ipswich game being his last. It may have been his last at
Ipswich and the last visit to a particular club can be a
poignant one for a referee and those who knew him. In those days
it would have been almost certain that he wouldn't be returning
to Ipswich or any club he refereed in his final couple of months
on the List - these days he could have turned up there again a
couple of weeks later! Of course that's because of the way
referees largely operate in one Division these days and referees
are now either never refereeing clubs or officiating them
multiple times per season. Interesting to speculate on whether a
referee such as Dennis Turner would have been a Select Group /
Premier League referee had the system operated back then or
whether he'd have been a "Championship" referee or in Leagues 1
and 2. I suspect he would have been a Premier referee for much
of his career.
I was also under the impression that he had gone to referee in
the USA but that may be a misapprehension. Tom Reynolds (who was
on the List for the exact same years) certainly did leave the
List early to go and referee over there and it's possible Dennis
Turner might have joined him or perhaps not. Various FL referees
did go to the USA to referee (most notably Gordon Hill) - some
emigrating but others just over the summer.
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Re: Final Games
By: Boris10 Date: January 17, 2020, 3:54 am
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Denis did get a reasonable share of First Division
matches.Always seemed a steady referee-can't remember seeing any
incidents-may have been elsewhere.Any offers?
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Re: Final Games
By: reflector Date: January 18, 2020, 12:33 pm
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[quote author=Boris10 link=topic=718.msg14831#msg14831
date=1579254896]
Denis did get a reasonable share of First Division
matches.Always seemed a steady referee-can't remember seeing any
incidents-may have been elsewhere.Any offers?
[/quote]Yes, I think he did get a number of key First Division
games. I don't recall any in particular but I think I am right
in saying that he was the referee of the famous Hereford United
v Newcastle cup tie with rhe Ronnie Radford goal of the season
winning goal which still gets shown today.
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Re: Final Games
By: Whistleblower Date: January 18, 2020, 1:55 pm
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[quote author=reflector link=topic=718.msg14862#msg14862
date=1579372407]
[quote author=Boris10 link=topic=718.msg14831#msg14831
date=1579254896]
Denis did get a reasonable share of First Division
matches.Always seemed a steady referee-can't remember seeing any
incidents-may have been elsewhere.Any offers?
[/quote]Yes, I think he did get a number of key First Division
games. I don't recall any in particular but I think I am right
in saying that he was the referee of the famous Hereford United
v Newcastle cup tie with rhe Ronnie Radford goal of the season
winning goal which still gets shown today.
[/quote]
I am certain you are right reflector.
On my only visit to Old Trafford, back in the 1970s, Dennis
Turner was the referee and I saw him quite a few times at
Ipswich. Steady and sure are the words I would employ to
describe him. No histrionics, little fuss, got on with
officiating which he looked as if he enjoyed. I wonder if he is
still with us?
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: January 19, 2020, 5:53 am
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[quote author=reflector link=topic=718.msg14862#msg14862
date=1579372407]
[quote author=Boris10 link=topic=718.msg14831#msg14831
date=1579254896]
Denis did get a reasonable share of First Division
matches.Always seemed a steady referee-can't remember seeing any
incidents-may have been elsewhere.Any offers?
[/quote]Yes, I think he did get a number of key First Division
games. I don't recall any in particular but I think I am right
in saying that he was the referee of the famous Hereford United
v Newcastle cup tie with rhe Ronnie Radford goal of the season
winning goal which still gets shown today.
[/quote]
...or the sight of Dennis being pursued back to the halfway line
by most of the crowd from behind the goal after Hereford's
winning goal was scored. Scary!
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Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: January 19, 2020, 6:12 am
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Another game which Dennis refereed and which is remembered by
many in South London was Leeds v Wimbledon (and replay) in the
4th round of the FA Cup in 1975. The game at Leeds was best
remembered for a late penalty save by Wimbledon keeper Dickie
Guy. No VAR needed as Gray was bundled over in the penalty area
by Bassett. Guy was the hero but he was helped by Lorimer's
penalty which was frankly pathetic by his standards. The game
ended 0-0 and Leeds won the replay 1-0. A 10 minute clip of the
game - with good sightings of Dennis - is on YouTube.
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Re: Final Games
By: TVOS Date: January 22, 2020, 10:49 am
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[quote author=reflector link=topic=718.msg14862#msg14862
date=1579372407]
[quote author=Boris10 link=topic=718.msg14831#msg14831
date=1579254896]
Denis did get a reasonable share of First Division
matches.Always seemed a steady referee-can't remember seeing any
incidents-may have been elsewhere.Any offers?
[/quote]Yes, I think he did get a number of key First Division
games. I don't recall any in particular but I think I am right
in saying that he was the referee of the famous Hereford United
v Newcastle cup tie with rhe Ronnie Radford goal of the season
winning goal which still gets shown today.
[/quote]
I just caught up with an archive episode of The Big Match on BT
Sport this morning and he was the referee for Leeds v Wimbledon
in the FA Cup in January 1975, a game made famous for the
performance of Dons' goalkeeper Dickie Guy.
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