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#Post#: 6967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: April 18, 2019, 4:00 am
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Many thanks for these updates. Phew, exactly what I was hoping
for! My memory may have been good on such burning issues, but
not that good it seems! I'll update the database and produce a
revised version for this earlier period shortly.
I am still reasonably confident that Jim Bent refereed the
Wolves v Villa game in May 1978. I recall a photo showing a
referee with a beard (Jim rather than John) and there was a
newspaper report linking Jim's last game in the middle with his
Cup Final appearance as a linesman just four days later.
I thought Bill Clements retired after the FA Cup Final in 1965
but yes, he certainly refereed at Anfield twice the following
season, and I have deleted him from the database. Ken Dagnall
was another who I thought retired after an FA Cup Final
appearance (1967), but the Liverpool archive website shows that
he refereed Liverpool v Man Utd on 6th April 1968, although I am
not sure whether this would have been his last game.
Couple more from this earlier period:
G Jones - Darlington v Hartlepool, Apr 1972 (fairly confident on
this although I can't think why)
L Hayes - did we not have a photo on the old ISOR of Les
refereeing his final game in May 1977, but where was it?
Thanks again, keep these updates coming and more from me
shortly.
#Post#: 6969--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: April 18, 2019, 9:45 am
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[quote author=Ref Watcher link=topic=718.msg6942#msg6942
date=1555518810]
[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=718.msg6940#msg6940
date=1555515292]
Thanks for these. I have included Walter in the above list and
will include Gary Aplin in my burgeoning list from 1980 to the
present.
I remember Alex Lees from Arsenal v Man Utd in 1978 because he
apparently failed to send off a player for a clear DOGSO foul
and was in danger of being summoned to the Head's office to
explain himself. As it was his last game, I imagine Alex was not
too concerned. There is a 5 minute YouTube clip of the game,
with the dark haired Alex blowing the final whistle at the end,
however the DOGSO incident is not included. The game was played
on 1st April 1978 which was a few weeks before the end of the
season and quite early to retire. However Easter was v early
that year and, as Alex was a school Head (like his Bridgwater
colleague Peter Walters), he may have decided to call it a day
early to prepare for the summer exam season at his school.
[/quote]
A red card for DOGSO wasn't introduced until later than 1978 -
Willie Young's cynical one on Paul Allen in an FA Cup Final that
caused such consternation was in 1980. If memory serves me
correctly it came in around 1990.
[/quote]
I believe the rule of a red card for DOGSO was divided into
distinct two periods, with a gap in the middle which included
the 1980 FA Cup Final. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
think the authorities would have been too concerned if Alex had
missed a yellow card offence at the end of his career, would
they?
Update - R Tinkler, Oldham v WBA, Apr 1976 (Wiki)
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: April 18, 2019, 1:57 pm
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=718.msg6967#msg6967
date=1555578033]
Many thanks for these updates. Phew, exactly what I was hoping
for! My memory may have been good on such burning issues, but
not that good it seems! I'll update the database and produce a
revised version for this earlier period shortly.
I am still reasonably confident that Jim Bent refereed the
Wolves v Villa game in May 1978. I recall a photo showing a
referee with a beard (Jim rather than John) and there was a
newspaper report linking Jim's last game in the middle with his
Cup Final appearance as a linesman just four days later.
I thought Bill Clements retired after the FA Cup Final in 1965
but yes, he certainly refereed at Anfield twice the following
season, and I have deleted him from the database. Ken Dagnall
was another who I thought retired after an FA Cup Final
appearance (1967), but the Liverpool archive website shows that
he refereed Liverpool v Man Utd on 6th April 1968, although I am
not sure whether this would have been his last game.
Couple more from this earlier period:
G Jones - Darlington v Hartlepool, Apr 1972 (fairly confident on
this although I can't think why)
L Hayes - did we not have a photo on the old ISOR of Les
refereeing his final game in May 1977, but where was it?
Thanks again, keep these updates coming and more from me
shortly.
[/quote]
The Les Hayes game (Peterborough v Walsall, 7.5.1977) was rather
curiously subject of an interesting short film (not focused on
him) which was on YouTube at some point but I don't know if it's
still there.
Gordon Hill's final League match was Brentford v Doncaster
(12.4.1975) - a slightly early departure to allow him to leave
sooner for his new job in the USA.
I can't be sure it was definitely his last match as rearranged
matches sometimes occurred in that era after the last scheduled
day of fixtures but Peter Walters had a remarkable match on the
final day of his last season with Derby winning 6-2 at Ipswich.
Footage is on YouTube. On a similar note Ron Crabb's probable
final game was Watford v Southport (29.4.1978) - a match which
was to prove Southport's last in the Football League as they
failed to be re-elected at the end of that season (the last club
to suffer that fate).
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: April 18, 2019, 2:01 pm
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=718.msg6969#msg6969
date=1555598712]
[quote author=Ref Watcher link=topic=718.msg6942#msg6942
date=1555518810]
[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=718.msg6940#msg6940
date=1555515292]
Thanks for these. I have included Walter in the above list and
will include Gary Aplin in my burgeoning list from 1980 to the
present.
I remember Alex Lees from Arsenal v Man Utd in 1978 because he
apparently failed to send off a player for a clear DOGSO foul
and was in danger of being summoned to the Head's office to
explain himself. As it was his last game, I imagine Alex was not
too concerned. There is a 5 minute YouTube clip of the game,
with the dark haired Alex blowing the final whistle at the end,
however the DOGSO incident is not included. The game was played
on 1st April 1978 which was a few weeks before the end of the
season and quite early to retire. However Easter was v early
that year and, as Alex was a school Head (like his Bridgwater
colleague Peter Walters), he may have decided to call it a day
early to prepare for the summer exam season at his school.
[/quote]
A red card for DOGSO wasn't introduced until later than 1978 -
Willie Young's cynical one on Paul Allen in an FA Cup Final that
caused such consternation was in 1980. If memory serves me
correctly it came in around 1990.
[/quote]
I believe the rule of a red card for DOGSO was divided into
distinct two periods, with a gap in the middle which included
the 1980 FA Cup Final. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
think the authorities would have been too concerned if Alex had
missed a yellow card offence at the end of his career, would
they?
[/quote]
Sendings off for professional fouls were first introduced in
1982-1983. This was a decision solely taken by the FA and after
a short time FIFA ordered a reversion to previous policy. FIFA
later changed their minds in 1990 since when professional fouls
have been red-carded worldwide.
#Post#: 6988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: April 19, 2019, 10:47 am
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The long-standing Harold Hackney in charge of Wrexham v
Mansfield as his final game solves a mystery from over 40 years
ago. I was at Wrexham a few days previously when Palace had to
win to deprive Wrexham of promotion to the 2nd division.The game
went into added time with the score 2-2, and the Wrexham fans
were roaring their team home when Palace scored not once but
twice to silence the crowd and send the promotion stakes to the
final weekend of the season when Palace were not playing and
Wrexham were playing Mansfield who had already won the 3rd
division title. And because the Palace had won at Wrexham by two
clear goals, Wrexham had to win to go up based on the goal
average system that was still in force that season. On the day
of the Wrexham v Mansfield game, I was crossing the Channel on a
booze cruise and the Sports Report scores were punctuated by
poor reception. However I only needed to hear 'Wrexham 0...' and
I could reach into my pocket to pay for a round of drinks to
celebrate promotion for the Palace. Peter Reeves refereed the
Wrexham v Palace game, but until now, I did not know who had
refereed the Wrexham v Mansfield game. I almost felt sorry for
the Wrexham fans and pleased that they won the title the
following season by a country mile.
#Post#: 7014--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Games
By: Acme Thunderer Date: April 20, 2019, 9:24 am
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Well, here it is, the list of final games, updated to the
present. As before, it covers only domestic competitions, so no
internationals, non-league games or friendlies. I have also
omitted ARs who refereed 1-2 games and refs who died in service.
I'll be happy to update the list when I return from a short
break, so please keep those comments coming in. Who will join
the list at the end of the season I wonder? Happy reading and
Happy Easter! AT
1946-79 (as per Uptons, RTR and memories)
K Aston Man Utd v Leicester (at Wembley), May 1963
C Barrick, Man Utd v Blackpool (at Wembley), Apr 1948
F Bassett Walsall v Halifax, May 1973
J Bent Wolves v Aston Villa, May 1978 (lined the FA Cup Final
later the same week)
N Burtenshaw Derby v Everton, Apr 1973
L Callaghan Aston Villa v Reading, May 1971
R Capey Preston v Portsmouth, May 1977
J Carr WBA v Liverpool (6th round 2nd replay at Maine Road,
Manchester), Apr 1968
J Clarke Man Utd v Sunderland, May 1968
J Clough Nottingham Forest v Luton (at Wembley), May 1959
R Crabb Watford v Southport, Apr 1978
A Dimond Leeds, 1970
E Garner York v Reading, May 1977
H Hackney Wrexham v Mansfield, May 1977
L Hayes Peterborough v Walsall, May 1977
G Hill Brentford v Doncaster, Apr 1975
A Holland West Ham v Preston (at Wembley), May 1964
K Howley Tottenham v Arsenal, May 1971
V James Walsall v Port Vale, April 1974
E Jennings Chelsea v Leeds (at Old Trafford), Apr 1970
R Johnson Leeds v Leicester, Nov 1971
W Johnson Liverpool v Man City, May 1978
A W Jones Chesterfield v Brighton, May 1977
G Jones Darlington v Hartlepool, Apr 1972
R Kirkpatrick Bolton v Spurs, May 1979
A Lees Aston Villa v Chelsea, Apr 1978
K Markham Watford v Plymouth, Apr 1969
R Matthewson Man Utd v Liverpool (at Wembley), May 1977
G McCabe Man City v Leicester (at Wembley), Apr 1969
D Nippard Ipswich v Arsenal (at Wembley), May 1978
D W Smith Man Utd v Man City, Apr 1974
J Taylor Arsenal v Middlesbrough, May 1977
R Tinkler Oldham v WBA, Apr 1976
D Turner Ipswich, March/ Apr 1979
P Walters Ipswich v Derby, Apr 1976
1980 to present (Uptons, Soccerbase, World Football,
Transfermarkt, RTR and other websites plus memories)
P Alcock Norwich v Stockport, Apr 2002
G Aplin Aston Villa v Chelsea, May 1991
P Armstrong Darlington v Rochdale, May 2008
G Ashby Arsenal v Everton, May 1998
J Ashworth Crystal Palace v Man Utd, May 1991
M Bailey Stoke v Man City, May 1998
S Baines Bradford City v Portsmouth, May 2003
G Barber Bolton v Fulham, May 2004
K Barratt Oldham v West Ham, Apr 1994
N Barry Bolton v Everton, May 2005
A Bates Chesterfield v Exeter, Apr 2013
R Beeby Wolves v Doncaster, May 2009
S Bennett Aston Villa v Blackburn, May 2010
C Berry Oxford v Cambridge, Apr 2015
M Bodenham Sheffield Wednesday v Aston Villa, May 1998
R Booth Stevenage v Accrington, May 2011
I Borrett Chelsea v Coventry, May 1994
M Brandwood Preston v Nottingham Forest, April 2002
M Brown Hartlepool v Doncaster, May 2017
S Bratt Port Vale v Sheffield Utd, Apr 2014
M Bull Sheffield United v Scunthorpe, May 2016
T Bune, Wigan v Brentford, June 1985
L Burden Watford v Man Utd, May 1985
K Burge Man Utd v Aston Villa, May 1999
W Burns Blackpool v Hartlepool, May 2001
A Butler Coventry v Crystal Palace, May 2004
L Cable Chesterfield v MK Dons, Sept 2004
G Cain Stoke v Gillingham, May 2004
R Chadwick Derby v Fulham, May 1983
A Challinor Man City v Luton, May 1983
R Clark Mansfield v Crewe, Apr 2018
M Clattenburg WBA v Leicester, Apr 2017
K (Keith) Cooper Blackburn v Arsenal, Apr 1996
M Cooper Cardiff v Wimbledon, May 2004
M Cotton Swansea v Lincoln, May 1987
B Coddington Darlington v Exeter, May 1999
G Courtney Blackburn v Leicester (at Wembley), May 1992
M Cowburn Shrewsbury v Lincoln, Sept 2006
D Crick Watford v Reading, May 2004
P Crossley Leeds v Burnley, Apr 2011
B Curson Plymouth v Ipswich, Apr 2006
P Danson Wigan v QPR, Apr 2005
D Deadman Luton v Blackpool, May 2017
R Desmond Mansfield v Bristol Rovers, Dec 2005
L Dilkes Coventry v Derby, May 1997
P Don Blackburn v Newcastle, May 1995
S Dorr Rushden v Notts County, Feb 2006
P Dowd WBA v Southampton, Feb 2015
S Dunn Ipswich v West Ham, May 2005
P Durkin - Arsenal v Leicester, May 2004
A DUrso Preston v Chesterfield, May 2015
D Elleray Newcastle v Birmingham, May 2003
E Evans Stockport v Morecambe, Jan 2011
K Evans Aldershot v Rotherham, Apr 2011
C Finch Peterborough v Leyton Orient, Sept 1997
M Fletcher Southampton v Leicester, Apr 2006
P Foakes Bolton v Reading (at Wembley), May 1995
D Foster Bristol Rovers v Sheffield Wednesday, Apr 2011
C Foy Man City v Southampton, May 2015
D Frampton Norwich v Oldham, May 1994
G Frankland Macclesfield v Barnsley, Sept 2002
R Furnandiz Rochdale v Rushden, Apr 2002
D Gallagher Liverpool v Charlton, May 2007
P Gibbs - Yeovil v Leyton Orient, May 2016
R Gifford Arsenal v Wimbledon, May 2005
F Graham Notts County v Carlisle, May 2016
A Grey Man Utd v Brighton (at Wembley), May 1983
A Gunn Tottenham v QPR, May 1994
K Hackett Man Utd v Liverpool, March 1994
A Hall Shrewsbury v Torquay, Oct 2010
M Halsey Man City v Norwich, May 2013
D Handley Notts County v Luton, May 2018
R Harris Peterborough v Bury, Apr 2002
M Haywood Shrewsbury v Millwall, Apr 2017
D Hedges Leicester v Sheffield United, May 1990
G Hegley Preston v Coventry, March 2011
T Helbron Ipswich v Barnsley (at Wembley), May 2000
B Hill Leeds v Crystal Palace, Apr 1993
K Hill Leeds v Charlton, Apr 2016
T Holbrook Everton v Southampton, May 1995
G Horwood Peterborough v Fleetwood, Apr 2018
J Hough Everton v QPR, May 1985
J Hunting Everton v Watford (at Wembley), May 1984
M Jones WBA v Tottenham, May 2018
P Jones Tottenham v Liverpool, Apr 2002
T Jones Chesterfield v Port Vale, Oct 2001
W Jordan - Swindon v Wycombe, Apr 2002
P Joslin Southampton v Sheffield United, May 2008
A Kaye Crewe v Coventry, May 2005
J Kirkby Bolton v Norwich, May 2000
B Knight Barnsley v Plymouth, Aug 2007
D Laws Crewe v Stockport, Oct 2001
G Laws Shrewsbury v Bury, May 2009
K Leach Tranmere v Crystal Palace, May 2000
A Leake Sheffield Utd v Crystal Palace, Apr 2006
R Lee Brighton v Hartlepool, Apr 2008
G Lewis Shrewsbury v Lincoln, Apr 2006
S Lodge Ipswich v Man City, May 2001
E Lomas Bournemouth v Millwall, Dec 2000
K Lynch Ipswich v Walsall, May 2000
R Madley Aston Villa v Middlesbrough, May 2018
B Malone Gillingham v Plymouth, May 2018
S Mathieson Carlisle v Hartlepool, May 2015
D McDermid Chesterfield v Brentford, May 2012
P Melin Grimsby v Peterborough, Apr 2008
M Messias WBA v Reading, Jan 2006
N Midgley West Ham v Nottingham Forest, May 1992
N Miller Blackpool v Luton, May 2017
P Miller Oxford v Hartlepool, March 2015
R Milford - Leicester v Derby (at Wembley), May 1994
D Mohareb Rochdale v Dagenham, Sept 2012
K Morton West Ham v Blackburn, Apr 1995
M Naylor Fleetwood v Burton (at Wembley), May 2014
R Nixon Newcastle v Leicester, May 1993
C Oliver Gillingham v Shrewsbury (at Wembley), May 2009
R Olivier Macclesfield v Bristol Rovers, Apr 2007
T Parkes Lincoln v Leyton Orient, Apr 2006
R Pearson Wigan v West Ham, May 2004
A Penn Exeter v Notts County, Nov 2010
C Penton Plymouth v Barnsley, May 2009
D Philips Brentford v Stevenage, May 2014
M Pierce Sunderland v Birmingham, May 1999
M Pike Wolves v Plymouth, May 2008
G Poll Portsmouth v Arsenal, May 2007
P Prosser Tranmere v Port Vale, Apr 2005
D Pugh Sunderland v Crystal Palace, May 2004
P Quinn Accrington v Carlisle, Sept 2011
E Read - Brighton v Sheffield United, May 1985
M Reed Arsenal v Chelsea, May 2000
P Reeves Cardiff v West Ham, May 1981
P Rejer Derby v Ipswich, May 2003
U Rennie Tottenham v Liverpool, May 2008
P Richards Birmingham v Sheffield United, Apr 2002
M Riley Fulham v Everton, May 2009
A (Alan) Robinson Liverpool v Everton (at Wembley), May 1986
J P Robinson Stoke v Norwich, Oct 2006
J Ross Cambridge v Rochdale, Apr 2005
J Rushton Huddersfield v Portsmouth, May 1996
S Rushton Bury v Portsmouth, Apr 2014
M Russell Blackpool v Huddersfield, May 2015
M Ryan Hartlepool v Lincoln, Nov 2004
D Sheldrake Walsall v Oldham, Apr 2015
R Shoebridge Accrington v Barnet, Apr 2011
G Singh Lincoln v Wycombe, May 1999
J Singh Yeovil v Oldham, May 2010
F Stretton Torquay v Kidderminster May 2004
R Styles WBA v Man Utd, Jan 2009
G Sutton Notts County v Crawley, Sept 2015
N Swarbrick Tottenham v Newcastle, May 2018
S Tanner Cardiff v Portsmouth, Jan 2012
M Taylor West Ham v Everton, May 1985
P Taylor Wycombe v Gillingham, May 2010
M Thorpe Coventry v Burnley, Oct 2008
S Tomlin Wycombe v Rushden, Oct 2004
P Tyldesley Man Utd v Man City, May 1991
P Walton Everton v WBA, March 2012
M Warren Rochdale v Oxford, Apr 2005
J Waugh Shrewsbury v Dagenham, Apr 2012
H Webb Hull City v Everton, May 2014
C Webster Sheffield Wednesday v Wycombe, May 2012
C White Tottenham v QPR (at Wembley), May 1982
A Wiley Leicester v Cardiff, May 2010
C Wilkes Grimsby v Brighton, May 2003
A Wilkie - Man Utd v Tottenham, May 2000
G Willard West Ham v Middlesbrough, May 1999
I Williamson AFC Wimbledon v Plymouth (at Wembley), May 2016
J Winter Man Utd v Millwall (at Cardiff), May 2004
E Wolstenholme Millwall v Coventry, May 2003
J Worrall Chelsea v Arsenal, May 1995
K Wright Rochdale v Gillingham, Apr 2016
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: April 20, 2019, 12:21 pm
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Sterling work AT. Here are a few additions...
Neville Ashley - Halifax v Rochdale, Aug 1987;
Alf Buksh - Nottingham Forest v Manchester City, Feb 1993;
Ray Guy - Manchester United v Aston Villa, May 1987;
John Ireland - Burnley v Cardiff, May 1988;
Mark Scott - Preston v Colchester, May 1987;
Colin Seel- Sheffield Wednesday v QPR, May 1987 (7-1 win);
Trevor West - Preston v Walsall, May 1997.
#Post#: 7027--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: April 20, 2019, 1:25 pm
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Some amendments:
Arnold Challinor - Liverpool v Coventry, May 1984 (5-0 win)
Eddie Evans - Wrexham v Brentford, May 2005;
Rob Styles - Chelsea v Blackburn, May 2009.
#Post#: 7037--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Games
By: SuffolkRef Date: April 20, 2019, 2:59 pm
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Many thanks for sharing the research that you have done for
this.
While I had remembered that I was in attendance for the final
matches of Heilbron, Lynch, Lodge and Dunn, I had completely
forgotten that I saw Paul Rejer and Brian Curson blow the full
time whistle on their careers.
One correction in relation to Grant Hegley. His final match
Ipswich vs Watford in March 2011. He was helped off the pitch
after about five minutes.
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Re: Final Games
By: Left Field Date: April 21, 2019, 12:10 pm
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Some more final games - an assortment of well-known names and
lesser-known officials:
David Axcell - Millwall v Bristol Rovers, May 1993;
John Ball - Wrexham v Stockport, May 1986;
Les Burden - Chelsea v Norwich. May 1985 (amendment);
Alan Crickmore - Bristol Rovers v Millwall, May 1984;
Bob Hamer - Portsmouth v Grimsby, May 1993;
Ian Hendrick - Watford v Oxford, May 1993;
Mike James - Bristol City v Brentford, May 1993;
John Martin - Birmingham v Charlton, May 1993;
Jim Parker - Birmingham v Bradford City, May 1995;
Pat Partridge - Nottingham Forest v Coventry, May 1981;
Ken Redfern, Manchester City v Everton, May 1993;
Ffrancgon Roberts - Coventry v Liverpool (Liverpool won 6-1,
final game of their last Title win);
Dave Shadwell - Rochdale v York, April 1993;
Clive Thomas - Stoke v Wolves, May 1984;
Peter Willis - Everton v Southampton, May 1986 (6-1 win);
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