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#Post#: 94265--------------------------------------------------
8 seconds !
DIR By: carrowman
Date: August 17, 2025, 3:46 pm
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After the 1st weekend of the premier league and after a couple
weeks of every where else, I think it has certainly helped and
amazingly goalkeepers aren't flopping around, long may it
continue.
Just wondering if it could/should next be bought in for throw
ins? Although just give it to the other team rather than a
corner?
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Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: August 17, 2025, 6:11 pm
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Seems to be working and hope it continues - the Premier League
fake flopping on the ball had become ridiculous and the refs had
refused to enforce the 6 sec rule. I’ve given it once this
season and it was accepted by everyone without a problem -
anything to keep game going is good.
I’m not and never was a massive fan of Clattenburg
(controversial!), but he has often advocated a new law for
simply reversing restarts if a team deliberately dawdles;
something worth trying, I think. Current YC is actually worse
than useless, as it actually delays the restart further to
administer, interrupts the flow even more and is not an
effective deterrent. I think it would work and a simple thing to
understand - ref warns team once to get on with it and after
that just reverses any further delayed restarts (eg. goal kick
becomes a corner). Like anything else that might actually work,
unlikely to get any backing , though ….
#Post#: 94305--------------------------------------------------
Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: Game of Throw Ins
Date: August 18, 2025, 11:03 am
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In the game I saw on Saturday the goalkeepers released the ball
as soon as the referee began the countdown so that was great.
However, one thing I noticed was that if an attacker was stood
in front of the goalkeeper as attackers are prone to do then the
referee did not begin the countdown.
Is this the correct interpretation of the law ?
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Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: Leggy
Date: August 18, 2025, 11:45 am
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--- Quote from: Arbitre anglais link ---
>
> Seems to be working and hope it continues - the Premier League
fake flopping on the ball had become ridiculous and the refs had
refused to enforce the 6 sec rule. I’ve given it once this
season and it was accepted by everyone without a problem -
anything to keep game going is good.
>
> I’m not and never was a massive fan of Clattenburg
(controversial!), but he has often advocated a new law for
simply reversing restarts if a team deliberately dawdles;
something worth trying, I think. Current YC is actually worse
than useless, as it actually delays the restart further to
administer, interrupts the flow even more and is not an
effective deterrent. I think it would work and a simple thing to
understand - ref warns team once to get on with it and after
that just reverses any further delayed restarts (eg. goal kick
becomes a corner). Like anything else that might actually work,
unlikely to get any backing , though ….
>
--- End Quote ---
100% agree. In the event of time-wasting a corner becomes a
goal-kick (and vice versa). A delayed throw-in becomes a
foul-throw and a free-kick is reversed. The caution is a
nonsense because - as AA says - it actually slows down the game
and the chances of a player getting a second caution for a
second offence are slim to none.
PS: I saw the end of two EPL games at the weekend and both were
finished exactly on the number of additional minutes - no
further added time. In one (Liverpool) there was a goal which
removed at least a minute of playing time and in another (Man
U?) There was at least one injury and possibly a substitution.
Careless, or just pressure to get to the ads???
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Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: rustyref
Date: August 18, 2025, 11:59 am
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--- Quote from: Game of Throw Ins link ---
>
> In the game I saw on Saturday the goalkeepers released the
ball as soon as the referee began the countdown so that was
great. However, one thing I noticed was that if an attacker was
stood in front of the goalkeeper as attackers are prone to do
then the referee did not begin the countdown.
>
> Is this the correct interpretation of the law ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there has been an IFAB and PGMOL clarification that the
count should only start when the keeper is in a position to
release the ball, if there is an attacker in close proximity it
should be delayed. IFAB posted on Twitter / X about it here
HTML https://x.com/TheIFAB/status/1938568120366731644
#Post#: 94316--------------------------------------------------
Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: bmb
Date: August 18, 2025, 12:39 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Game of Throw Ins
link=topic=7155.msg94305#msg94305 date=1755533031]
> In the game I saw on Saturday the goalkeepers released the
ball as soon as the referee began the countdown so that was
great. However, one thing I noticed was that if an attacker was
stood in front of the goalkeeper as attackers are prone to do
then the referee did not begin the countdown.
>
> Is this the correct interpretation of the law ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there has been an IFAB and PGMOL clarification that the
count should only start when the keeper is in a position to
release the ball, if there is an attacker in close proximity it
should be delayed. IFAB posted on Twitter / X about it here
HTML https://x.com/TheIFAB/status/1938568120366731644
[/quote]
Further to that, if the forward continues to prevent the GK from
playing the ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against
them. Rustyref is always better on the law changes than I am and
will hopefully be able to say if the countdown has to have
started and be stopped because of the striker or if it's simply
because the countdown can't start because of them - or both!
#Post#: 94317--------------------------------------------------
Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: Leggy
Date: August 18, 2025, 12:47 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7155.msg94314#msg94314
date=1755536349]
> [quote author=Game of Throw Ins
link=topic=7155.msg94305#msg94305 date=1755533031]
> In the game I saw on Saturday the goalkeepers released the
ball as soon as the referee began the countdown so that was
great. However, one thing I noticed was that if an attacker was
stood in front of the goalkeeper as attackers are prone to do
then the referee did not begin the countdown.
>
> Is this the correct interpretation of the law ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there has been an IFAB and PGMOL clarification that the
count should only start when the keeper is in a position to
release the ball, if there is an attacker in close proximity it
should be delayed. IFAB posted on Twitter / X about it here
HTML https://x.com/TheIFAB/status/1938568120366731644
[/quote]
Further to that, if the forward continues to prevent the GK from
playing the ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against
them. Rustyref is always better on the law changes than I am and
will hopefully be able to say if the countdown has to have
started and be stopped because of the striker or if it's simply
because the countdown can't start because of them - or both!
[/quote]
"if the forward continues to prevent the GK from playing the
ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against them"
Hasn't that always been the case?
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Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: rustyref
Date: August 18, 2025, 1:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=7155.msg94316#msg94316
date=1755538798]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7155.msg94314#msg94314
date=1755536349]
> [quote author=Game of Throw Ins
link=topic=7155.msg94305#msg94305 date=1755533031]
> In the game I saw on Saturday the goalkeepers released the
ball as soon as the referee began the countdown so that was
great. However, one thing I noticed was that if an attacker was
stood in front of the goalkeeper as attackers are prone to do
then the referee did not begin the countdown.
>
> Is this the correct interpretation of the law ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there has been an IFAB and PGMOL clarification that the
count should only start when the keeper is in a position to
release the ball, if there is an attacker in close proximity it
should be delayed. IFAB posted on Twitter / X about it here
HTML https://x.com/TheIFAB/status/1938568120366731644
[/quote]
Further to that, if the forward continues to prevent the GK from
playing the ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against
them. Rustyref is always better on the law changes than I am and
will hopefully be able to say if the countdown has to have
started and be stopped because of the striker or if it's simply
because the countdown can't start because of them - or both!
[/quote]
"if the forward continues to prevent the GK from playing the
ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against them"
Hasn't that always been the case?
[/quote]
Kind of, it has always been an offence to prevent the keeper
from releasing the ball. Some referees seem to be a bit quicker
on it now though, Simon Hooper twice penalised Gyokeres
yesterday for standing in front of the keeper, he didn't even
move that much but he was just very quick to give the free kick
and remove any potential risk.
#Post#: 94348--------------------------------------------------
Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: August 18, 2025, 6:21 pm
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=7155.msg94316#msg94316
date=1755538798]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=7155.msg94314#msg94314
date=1755536349]
> [quote author=Game of Throw Ins
link=topic=7155.msg94305#msg94305 date=1755533031]
> In the game I saw on Saturday the goalkeepers released the
ball as soon as the referee began the countdown so that was
great. However, one thing I noticed was that if an attacker was
stood in front of the goalkeeper as attackers are prone to do
then the referee did not begin the countdown.
>
> Is this the correct interpretation of the law ?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there has been an IFAB and PGMOL clarification that the
count should only start when the keeper is in a position to
release the ball, if there is an attacker in close proximity it
should be delayed. IFAB posted on Twitter / X about it here
HTML https://x.com/TheIFAB/status/1938568120366731644
[/quote]
Further to that, if the forward continues to prevent the GK from
playing the ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against
them. Rustyref is always better on the law changes than I am and
will hopefully be able to say if the countdown has to have
started and be stopped because of the striker or if it's simply
because the countdown can't start because of them - or both!
[/quote]
"if the forward continues to prevent the GK from playing the
ball the ref can give an indirect free kick against them"
Hasn't that always been the case?
[/quote]
Yes - but unless the goalkeeper was/is looking to play a quick
pass, the previous consequence was just a delay in the
goalkeeper releasing the ball. There’s no real predicament.
Under the new application, delaying the goalkeeper has the
potential for a corner kick, so an undue delay caused by an
attacker needs to be addressed. It also ultimately ends up in a
further delay - presumably often benefitting the goalkeeper who
can now slow the game down far more - and so a referee who
punishes it should achieve a degree of self-policing by an
attacker’s team mates getting frustrated at him.
If the attacking team are winning and slowing down the
goalkeeper’s release, I’d expect to see more sanctions than we
previously saw.
#Post#: 94383--------------------------------------------------
Re: 8 seconds !
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: August 19, 2025, 6:12 am
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Refs should hopefully be alert to this. If GK is genuinely
trying to take a quick release to start a break and attacker
prevents, should be a YC for DtR. If it’s just an attacker
dancing around GK to be a pain and trying to get a corner, I’d
just give a FK quickly to diffuse but no card (especially at
lower levels).
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