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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: May 17, 2025, 1:21 pm
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> I didn’t think VAR could get involved if the issue was outside
the area and the Referee hadn’t given a decision
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It was a potential red card!
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: rustyref
Date: May 17, 2025, 1:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
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> It was a clear and obvious error by the on field officials not
to see the handball outside the area. It is subjective as to
whether it was a yellow or red card. Since the on-field
officials presumably didn’t see the handball they couldn’t have
decided what penalty should have been imposed and VAR should
have given them the opportunity to decide whether it was a red
card. At that point all options are available and a free kick
and yellow card could have been awarded if the referee didn’t
think it deserved a red card.
>
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How many times does the same thing have to be said. VAR cannot
give the referee an opportunity to have another look, the only
way there can be a review is if VAR deem that the referee made a
clear and obvious error. I actually think they did in this
case, but had there been a review it wouldn't be to have another
look, rather it would have been VAR telling referee that they
thought they had dropped a clanger. That's why almost every
review results in the referee changing the decision, reviews
should be a factual decision where the referee was very clearly
wrong and therefore they should be no scope for the referee to
stick with his original decision.
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: May 17, 2025, 1:33 pm
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Keith Hackett says Henderson should have stayed on the pitch.
Dale Johnson disagrees. I think there is a general divergence of
opinion which suggests that it wasn't a clear and obvious error
in missing a DOGSO. The AR did let the team down.
It is worth remembering regarding the penalty, getting a slight
touch on the ball doesn't necessarily negate the award of a
penalty. This was one of those cases imho.
Well done Palace. City were not at their best and their
performance summed up their season. Should have done better.
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: Claretman
Date: May 17, 2025, 1:46 pm
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> Keith Hackett says Henderson should have stayed on the pitch.
Dale Johnson disagrees. I think there is a general divergence of
opinion which suggests that it wasn't a clear and obvious error
in missing a DOGSO. The AR did let the team down.
> It is worth remembering regarding the penalty, getting a
slight touch on the ball doesn't necessarily negate the award of
a penalty. This was one of those cases imho.
> Well done Palace. City were not at their best and their
performance summed up their season. Should have done better.
>
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I think i know who of thise two i would believe to be correct.
I believe this was Another case of trying to keep 11 players on
the pitch for each side.
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: robbieg
Date: May 17, 2025, 1:57 pm
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The other AR Dan Robathan is the son of a work colleague.....
Hopefully his personal performance was deemed satisfactory.
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: May 17, 2025, 2:27 pm
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> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=7012.msg92175#msg92175
date=1747501979]
> It was a clear and obvious error by the on field officials not
to see the handball outside the area. It is subjective as to
whether it was a yellow or red card. Since the on-field
officials presumably didn’t see the handball they couldn’t have
decided what penalty should have been imposed and VAR should
have given them the opportunity to decide whether it was a red
card. At that point all options are available and a free kick
and yellow card could have been awarded if the referee didn’t
think it deserved a red card.
>
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How many times does the same thing have to be said. VAR cannot
give the referee an opportunity to have another look, the only
way there can be a review is if VAR deem that the referee made a
clear and obvious error. I actually think they did in this
case, but had there been a review it wouldn't be to have another
look, rather it would have been VAR telling referee that they
thought they had dropped a clanger. That's why almost every
review results in the referee changing the decision, reviews
should be a factual decision where the referee was very clearly
wrong and therefore they should be no scope for the referee to
stick with his original decision.
[/quote]
Repeating something doesn’t necessarily make it true, see Donald
Trump’s repeated statements as an example.
Are you telling me that missing the fact that the goalkeeper
quite deliberately uses his hand outside the penalty area to
knock the ball away from a forward when there is an empty net
behind him does not provide grounds to ask the ref to review the
decision the decision for DOGSO?
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: May 17, 2025, 2:29 pm
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For obvious reasons (I hope) I will not comment on the key
incidents. I'm just returning from Cloud 9, having seen my
beloved Palace win a major trophy at Wembley at last. Cheers
everyone!
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: May 17, 2025, 2:33 pm
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HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq54zyl79j3o
Looking at the second picture in the above article the AR is
miles behind play. This play was from a long ball over the top
so he would have originally been in line with the Palace
defenders.
City yet again using their tactic of deliberately fouling early
to stop attacks developing when they are caught out of position.
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: May 17, 2025, 2:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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> For obvious reasons (I hope) I will not comment on the key
incidents. I'm just returning from Cloud 9, having seen my
beloved Palace win a major trophy at Wembley at last. Cheers
everyone!
>
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Don’t rush back, enjoy your time on the cloud, hopefully the
west side of Wembley stays strong next week
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Re: Stuart Attwell - Crystal Palace v Man City (FA Cup Final)
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: May 17, 2025, 3:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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> For obvious reasons (I hope) I will not comment on the key
incidents. I'm just returning from Cloud 9, having seen my
beloved Palace win a major trophy at Wembley at last. Cheers
everyone!
>
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Congrats on the win!
I think the celebrations will be less affable in places like
Fulham, Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford as its probably
buggered up (not conclusively yet) any chance of these teams
getting into Europe now, unless Chelsea fall off a cliff into
6th and win the conference league.
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