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#Post#: 92039--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: Claretman
Date: May 14, 2025, 12:00 pm
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> if the flag had gone up then he wouldn't be needing major
surgery...
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A flag going up doesnt stop game.
The referee would have probably ignored the flag until after the
incident if it had gone up.
How do you know the players wouldnt have carried on even if
there was a whistle, its happened many times before.
Had the assistant had extraordinary forseeing powers would have
flagged immy.
If the game had been stopped Forest would have been denied an
opportunity to score a possible perfectly good goal, in fact
what Awoniyi was trying to do.
This isnt the first unfortunate injury to occur and i am sure it
wont be the last.
If we want var to work correctly for offsides then flags cant be
raised just because there might be a chance of an injury.
Personally i would rid the game of var but almost everyone
(other than referees) thought the assistants couldnt be trusted
to do their jobs so we have got what we have.
My thoughts are with Awoniyi and his family and wish him a very
speedy recovery and return to the game.
#Post#: 92046--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: May 14, 2025, 12:52 pm
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I struggle to relate the injury to playing on. It is a
footballing incident. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if the flag
had been raised earlier but other serious injuries can be traced
back to something an official or player did or didn't do. As I
said earlier, I hope Awoniyi recovers fully and speedily but
this has a feel of the blame game. There are risks when playing
football, repeated heading the ball for example, and it is
beholden on the "game" to reduce this where possible and I would
like to see more attention paid to SFP and raised elbows before
someone has a serious eye injury.
#Post#: 92048--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: May 14, 2025, 1:12 pm
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The incident raises in my mind a broader and possibly
philosophical issue that reflects badly on the bodies that
construct and give guidance on the interpretation of the laws.
The question is “What are the most important purposes of the
Laws?”
I would say that one, and probably the most important purpose of
the laws are to ensure safety of players, officials and
supporters. The delayed flag seems to compromise the safety of
players as sadly illustrated by this most recent incident,
although there have been a number of less serious incidents.
A few years ago I would have said that Premier League AR’s were
very good at spotting offsides and indeed ‘generally’ preferable
to the ‘false’ impression of near mm accuracy of the VAR
system. So let the ARs raise their flags when they believe
there is an offside and let the referees decide whether to stop
play or not, giving the first priority to avoiding train crash
situations.
#Post#: 92049--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: May 14, 2025, 1:31 pm
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It's an unfortunate but people are going to complain if the flag
goes up early and if it doesn't.
Hopefully he gets well and is back soon
#Post#: 92050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: May 14, 2025, 1:37 pm
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--- Quote from: HChip link ---
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> I am feeling that this rule should be voided in certain
circumstances - e.g if an offside is clear and obvious.
Obviously for less obvious, keep it down, but I feel like, as we
saw in the game, if an offside is that obvious, there would be
nothing to exactly rule out.
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> That is not me going at Sian Massey-Ellis who was doing what
she is instructed to, she done the correct thing and it is not
her fault at all. But, I think the rule makers should reconsider
as the serious injury that everyone has been dreading has now
happened, it all could have been avoided if that slight rule
change was made.
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“All could have been avoided if the slight rule change was made”
This is the equivalent of arguing the ‘daylight rule’ with
offside - all we’re doing is moving the point of contention.
We don’t know how many injuries occurred because of held flags,
but we presumably could calculate how many goals were scored
because of them?
‘Obvious’ isn’t defined, and perhaps we can make it 2-3 yards,
or basically whatever the AR feels comfortable with. But all it
takes is someone to get it wrong and then we have an inquisition
as to how a perfectly good goal was disallowed for the sake of
brevity and a vague commitment to safety.
Besides, this injury still could have occurred whilst applying
the vaguely defined ‘obvious’ concept. It’s frustrating because
it was in vain, and with a fairly nebulous concept of preventing
injury the argument could just about be made…
I sense the FA/PGMOL will do some lip-service to ‘reviewing and
tightening up where possible’ and either or both of 2 things
will happen - 1) offside flags will still be late to what people
arbitrarily regards as ‘obvious’, and 2) a goal/goal scoring
opportunity will be voided and instead of inspecting the
insurmountable issue, the official making the decision will be
blamed.
I also fear we’re steering into making officials responsible -
or at least implicitly blaming them - for injuries in a way we
never have before.
#Post#: 92051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: magpie1892
Date: May 14, 2025, 2:20 pm
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I wonder if in the future SOAT will be developed where it can
assist the AR with offsides, maybe where if the margin is
greater than ?cm they get a ping in their headset.
Maybe we wont need ARs in 30 years time as everything can be
done via SOAT and pings the referee in their headset to say
offside without needing someone with a flag
#Post#: 92060--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: rustyref
Date: May 14, 2025, 4:12 pm
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It's a trade off, there have been many goals scored since the
introduction of VAR that would otherwise have been incorrectly
ruled out had there been an early flag. In that time there's
been one serious injury and perhaps a couple of less serious
ones potentially caused by the flag being delayed. And let's
also be absolutely clear, whilst there is currently a bit of a
pile on to blame the ARs for delaying the flag, the very second
a goal is incorrectly ruled out by an early flag this injury
will be forgotten and they'll be getting pelters for not
delaying. It really is a lose lose situation for the
assistants.
#Post#: 92066--------------------------------------------------
Re: Late offside flags causing injury?
DIR By: nemesis
Date: May 15, 2025, 3:44 am
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Semantics perhaps, but injuries are not caused by the delayed
flag. It's just a missed opportunity to maybe prevent one.
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