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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Pm2
Date: May 7, 2025, 3:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Adam link ---
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> [quote author=Pm2 link=topic=6973.msg91699#msg91699
date=1746650052]
> [quote author=dave26 link=topic=6973.msg91698#msg91698
date=1746649944]
> I fancied Zwayer to get one of the finals this season , he’s
had a very good game , but as said that was a “European
Handball” and once he was sent to the screen if he hadn’t given
it I think he would have kissed whatever chance he had of
getting a final goodbye
>
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fancy him for the Europa league final now with this good
performance
[/quote]
Champions league Kovacs, Europa League Zwayer/Letexier,
Conference League Peljito I'd reckon
[/quote]im similar thinking kovacs with maybe oliver,
zwayer/letexier Peljto
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: dave26
Date: May 7, 2025, 3:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Pm2 link ---
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> [quote author=Adam link=topic=6973.msg91700#msg91700
date=1746650162]
> [quote author=Pm2 link=topic=6973.msg91699#msg91699
date=1746650052]
> [quote author=dave26 link=topic=6973.msg91698#msg91698
date=1746649944]
> I fancied Zwayer to get one of the finals this season , he’s
had a very good game , but as said that was a “European
Handball” and once he was sent to the screen if he hadn’t given
it I think he would have kissed whatever chance he had of
getting a final goodbye
>
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fancy him for the Europa league final now with this good
performance
[/quote]
Champions league Kovacs, Europa League Zwayer/Letexier,
Conference League Peljito I'd reckon
[/quote]im similar thinking kovacs with maybe oliver,
zwayer/letexier Peljto
[/quote]
Unless he has already had it I would say Nyberg might get the
ECL final but I agree with the rest
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Claretman
Date: May 7, 2025, 4:24 pm
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Excellent performance from Mr Zwayer and team incl var tonight.
I think Mr Taylor and his team along with Mr Oliver and his team
will have a bigger smile on their faces this evening probably
more so the former.
Think there is a fair possibility for a German to get the final,
Mr Siebert who had a good last 16 outing at Villa Park v Club
Brugge.
Nyberg is a good outside bet along with Eskas, Kruzliak and
Scharer.
Think Kovacs will be in line for next seasons final.
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: ajb95
Date: May 8, 2025, 2:22 am
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
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> Excellent performance from Mr Zwayer and team incl var
tonight.
>
>
> I think Mr Taylor and his team along with Mr Oliver and his
team will have a bigger smile on their faces this evening
probably more so the former.
> Think there is a fair possibility for a German to get the
final, Mr Siebert who had a good last 16 outing at Villa Park v
Club Brugge.
> Nyberg is a good outside bet along with Eskas, Kruzliak and
Scharer.
> Think Kovacs will be in line for next seasons final.
>
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I wouldn’t have thought eskas he isn’t even elite is he?
Kovacks is favourite but I would love to see Taylor before he
comes off the list. Nyberg or scharer could get
Europa/conference or maybe Siebert.
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: May 8, 2025, 2:53 am
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> Well what a terrible decision that is… 67 minute penalty
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No doubt it can be justified, but in my eyes it shows up IFAB
and the referees that make decisions like this as failing to
interpret the purpose of the law. It is to prevent teams from
gaining an advantage from hand / ball contact and that should be
the primary consideration. In this case the touch was so light
as no have a negligible influence and since it wasn't
intentional and gave no advantage to the defending side should
not have been penalised.
It is in my eyes a general failing of the way the laws are
written that the purpose of the law is not the first
consideration and then the detail follows to help interpret how
that purpose can be achieved,
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: ben
Date: May 8, 2025, 3:11 am
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UEFA may take advantage of no English team being in the final
this year. Kovacs can really do it any year realistically.
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Jim_AFCB
Date: May 8, 2025, 6:15 am
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--- Quote from: Pm2 link ---
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> Correct intervention.100% always a penalty in uefa.
Understandable arsenal fans were frustrated as it would never be
given in England.
> Zwayer excellent so far
>
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They do get given in England.
Ask Tyler Adams. (AFCB v West Ham last December) He was jumping
as a ball was crossed and got a barely discernable nick with
didnt affect the flight of the ball into the area. Certainl;y
wasn't a consequential deflection.. No-one appealed yet VAR
stuck their oar in and a penalty was awarded.
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: May 8, 2025, 6:27 am
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To me, Myles Lewis-Skelly seems to get on the wrong side of
referees more than some. Almost a liability but I fully accept
that at 18 he will be little over enthusiastic and lacks the
experience necessary to play in Europe. That isn't to say he
shouldn't, on the contrary he needs to. That raised arm was
always going to be a potential problem. Whether you agree with
the penalty decision or not, it was a fair call by the
officials, but Lewis Skelly cannot really be blamed.
Zwayer had a fine game.
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: May 8, 2025, 8:13 am
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Felix Zwayer is one of the very few non English UEFA referees
whom I have watched at a live match. He was cool, calm and
collected; not unlike last night's performance.
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Re: Felix Zwayer - PSG v Arsenal
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: May 8, 2025, 8:47 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> [quote author=DerbyLad90 link=topic=6973.msg91693#msg91693
date=1746649634]
> Well what a terrible decision that is… 67 minute penalty
>
--- End Quote ---
No doubt it can be justified, but in my eyes it shows up IFAB
and the referees that make decisions like this as failing to
interpret the purpose of the law. It is to prevent teams from
gaining an advantage from hand / ball contact and that should be
the primary consideration. In this case the touch was so light
as no have a negligible influence and since it wasn't
intentional and gave no advantage to the defending side should
not have been penalised.
It is in my eyes a general failing of the way the laws are
written that the purpose of the law is not the first
consideration and then the detail follows to help interpret how
that purpose can be achieved,
[/quote]
This is entirely on IFAB, and nothing to do with referees.
Referees implement the Laws that IFAB give us.
Otherwise, I agree with the overall sentiment. I have little
issue with this particular handball, but I would like to see
greater consideration given to consequence or advantage.
Handball has become too much of a 'gotcha', and penalising
moments that the game doesn't really want.
But even the most conservative applications of handball in many
a year would have still awarded a penalty for that last night.
I'd suggest that if it was against PSG, the commentary team
would not have reacted the way they did.
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