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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: elbee94 Date: April 19, 2025, 5:53 am
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Colchester United FC (First Team) v Crewe Alexandra FC (First
Team)
Football League 2
Referee: Oldham, Scott
Assistant Referee: Bonneywell, Daniel
Assistant Referee: Williams, Scott
Fourth Official: Mingay, Bradley
A fairly chaotic 0-0 yesterday but unfortunately a poor showing
from the officials, getting a couple of big decisions wrong in
my eyes.
The first half was mostly straightforward for the officials,
Crewe were the better side and had most of the ball, but tempers
flared in added time. Flanagan and Lunt got a bit tangled up
following a fair challenge and Flanagan and the home benches
felt Lunt had kicked/stamped on Flanagan, which the 4O agreed
with and advised Scott to send Lunt off. From TV, it’s hard to
tell but it doesn’t look like anything intentional.
The second half wasn’t very well managed in my view, there
seemed to be a lot of off the ball incidents that Scott didn’t
address, either not seeing them or intentionally letting them
play. I also think Scott should have managed Crewe’s timewasting
better and we probably should have more added time at the end.
There was one tackle from Long on Bishop which was Orange worthy
and could have been a second red card on another day.
The main incident of note in the second half was the penalty
decision to Colchester, which I think is a really poor decision.
As Knight-Lebel slips whilst Tovide gets away from him, his arm
hits the ground and the ball and it goes out of play. Scott
points to the spot, which is extremely harsh given there was
simply nothing the defender could do. I struggle to see how he
could have had a great view of this either. He did however do
well to book Tovide and Williams for handbags and book the
goalkeeper for roughing up the spot. Perhaps fair that Read took
such a poor penalty and the game finished goalless.
I’m not sure if AT or Ryan have any thoughts or contradictions,
but I think Scott and 4O got the big decisions wrong for me and
he’ll be disappointed with that.
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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: Ryanellis Date: April 19, 2025, 6:22 am
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[quote author=elbee94 link=topic=6907.msg91019#msg91019
date=1745060000]
Colchester United FC (First Team) v Crewe Alexandra FC (First
Team)
Football League 2
Referee: Oldham, Scott
Assistant Referee: Bonneywell, Daniel
Assistant Referee: Williams, Scott
Fourth Official: Mingay, Bradley
A fairly chaotic 0-0 yesterday but unfortunately a poor showing
from the officials, getting a couple of big decisions wrong in
my eyes.
The first half was mostly straightforward for the officials,
Crewe were the better side and had most of the ball, but tempers
flared in added time. Flanagan and Lunt got a bit tangled up
following a fair challenge and Flanagan and the home benches
felt Lunt had kicked/stamped on Flanagan, which the 4O agreed
with and advised Scott to send Lunt off. From TV, it’s hard to
tell but it doesn’t look like anything intentional.
The second half wasn’t very well managed in my view, there
seemed to be a lot of off the ball incidents that Scott didn’t
address, either not seeing them or intentionally letting them
play. I also think Scott should have managed Crewe’s timewasting
better and we probably should have more added time at the end.
There was one tackle from Long on Bishop which was Orange worthy
and could have been a second red card on another day.
The main incident of note in the second half was the penalty
decision to Colchester, which I think is a really poor decision.
As Knight-Lebel slips whilst Tovide gets away from him, his arm
hits the ground and the ball and it goes out of play. Scott
points to the spot, which is extremely harsh given there was
simply nothing the defender could do. I struggle to see how he
could have had a great view of this either. He did however do
well to book Tovide and Williams for handbags and book the
goalkeeper for roughing up the spot. Perhaps fair that Read took
such a poor penalty and the game finished goalless.
I’m not sure if AT or Ryan have any thoughts or contradictions,
but I think Scott and 4O got the big decisions wrong for me and
he’ll be disappointed with that.
[/quote]
I agree elbee. I wasn’t there live nor did I watch it on tv as I
was out, but having seen the highlights, he got both KMI’s
wrong. Didn’t see why he sent off Owen Lunt, plus why was it a
penalty?!? Good job it didn’t cost us at all. I’ve asked another
referee for his opinion - and his is the same as mine.
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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: PDMat Shav Date: April 19, 2025, 10:08 am
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The standard of referees this season has in general been poor,
but they still get appointments if they have bad games, they
should be like players, and be dropped from appointments for a
couple of weeks.
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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: Ryanellis Date: April 19, 2025, 1:04 pm
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The red card has been overturned. Good. Rightly so. Will
anything happen to Scott Oldham now?
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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: elbee94 Date: April 19, 2025, 2:03 pm
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[quote author=Ryanellis link=topic=6907.msg91034#msg91034
date=1745085858]
The red card has been overturned. Good. Rightly so. Will
anything happen to Scott Oldham now?
[/quote]
Well done to FA for the quick decision before Monday’s games.
In fairness to Scott, the red was given on advice from 4O. Scott
either had a very obstructed view or wasn’t looking at all as
the ball had gone.
#Post#: 91037--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: Boz Date: April 19, 2025, 3:38 pm
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Tranmere Rovers FC v Doncaster Rovers FC
Football League 2
Referee: Tallis, Scott
Assistant Referee: Amphlett, Marvyn
Assistant Referee: Jarvis, Danny
Fourth Official: Khan, Abbas
I had been a little wary when this appointment was announced and
it turned out to be another Scott having a poor Good Friday. His
foul detection was erratic and he seemed to have some very fixed
ideas about what does constitute a foul, in particular a
defending player holding their ground as an attacking player
runs into them, an interpretation which I am uneasy with. The
opening Doncaster goal came from a free-kick, where there
appeared minimal contact. The ball was whipped into the far post
and converted, some home fans thought there had been a push on
Lee O'Connor as the ball was crossed, but having re-viewed the
footage, it's very hard to tell. In the second half, an award
was given to Tranmere in roughly the same position for a similar
challenge, which again looked like minimal contact, but
unfortunately for the hosts no goal resulted. The second came
from a penalty, where the ball appeared to be going out of play
when Mr Tallis deemed Luke McGee the Tranmere keeper took the
Doncaster player down. It was the opposite end of the pitch to
me and the footage isn't clear, not enough to suggest a wrong
call was made.
However the main talking point was a Red Card to Tranmere Rovers
manager Andy Crosby, which appeared bizarre. The ball was kicked
out of play for a Doncaster throw-in and Crosby flicked out his
hand making contact with the ball and the referee came over and
brandished the red. It wasn't a situation where the manager had
kept hold of the ball or kicked it away to delay the re-start.
While it's unclear why the hand was flicked, , the hosts were
trailing, with or without the contact the ball was going to end
up in the stand, so why it required such an extreme sanction is
puzzling. Even more so when Mr Tallis had failed to show a YC to
a Doncaster player moments before who had kicked the ball away
after the decision went against him.
#Post#: 91038--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: Ryanellis Date: April 19, 2025, 5:36 pm
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[quote author=elbee94 link=topic=6907.msg91035#msg91035
date=1745089439]
[quote author=Ryanellis link=topic=6907.msg91034#msg91034
date=1745085858]
The red card has been overturned. Good. Rightly so. Will
anything happen to Scott Oldham now?
[/quote]
Well done to FA for the quick decision before Monday’s games.
In fairness to Scott, the red was given on advice from 4O. Scott
either had a very obstructed view or wasn’t looking at all as
the ball had gone.
[/quote]
And the 4O had Danny Cowley in his ear. Something needs to
happen because that decision could have changed the game
completely. Whether the 4O doesn’t have a game for a weekend or
something, but this can’t continue.
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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: olliebcafc Date: April 20, 2025, 6:25 am
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[quote author=Boz link=topic=6907.msg91037#msg91037
date=1745095085]
Tranmere Rovers FC v Doncaster Rovers FC
Football League 2
Referee: Tallis, Scott
Assistant Referee: Amphlett, Marvyn
Assistant Referee: Jarvis, Danny
Fourth Official: Khan, Abbas
I had been a little wary when this appointment was announced and
it turned out to be another Scott having a poor Good Friday. His
foul detection was erratic and he seemed to have some very fixed
ideas about what does constitute a foul, in particular a
defending player holding their ground as an attacking player
runs into them, an interpretation which I am uneasy with. The
opening Doncaster goal came from a free-kick, where there
appeared minimal contact. The ball was whipped into the far post
and converted, some home fans thought there had been a push on
Lee O'Connor as the ball was crossed, but having re-viewed the
footage, it's very hard to tell. In the second half, an award
was given to Tranmere in roughly the same position for a similar
challenge, which again looked like minimal contact, but
unfortunately for the hosts no goal resulted. The second came
from a penalty, where the ball appeared to be going out of play
when Mr Tallis deemed Luke McGee the Tranmere keeper took the
Doncaster player down. It was the opposite end of the pitch to
me and the footage isn't clear, not enough to suggest a wrong
call was made.
However the main talking point was a Red Card to Tranmere Rovers
manager Andy Crosby, which appeared bizarre. The ball was kicked
out of play for a Doncaster throw-in and Crosby flicked out his
hand making contact with the ball and the referee came over and
brandished the red. It wasn't a situation where the manager had
kept hold of the ball or kicked it away to delay the re-start.
While it's unclear why the hand was flicked, , the hosts were
trailing, with or without the contact the ball was going to end
up in the stand, so why it required such an extreme sanction is
puzzling. Even more so when Mr Tallis had failed to show a YC to
a Doncaster player moments before who had kicked the ball away
after the decision went against him.
[/quote]
The red card for Crosby is extremely harsh, if not totally
wrong. I very much doubt there would even have been a
conversation had he not sent McCann off a few minutes prior. The
penalty looks clear to me though
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Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: Boz Date: April 20, 2025, 7:44 am
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[quote author=olliebcafc link=topic=6907.msg91046#msg91046
date=1745148352]
[quote author=Boz link=topic=6907.msg91037#msg91037
date=1745095085]
Tranmere Rovers FC v Doncaster Rovers FC
Football League 2
Referee: Tallis, Scott
Assistant Referee: Amphlett, Marvyn
Assistant Referee: Jarvis, Danny
Fourth Official: Khan, Abbas
I had been a little wary when this appointment was announced and
it turned out to be another Scott having a poor Good Friday. His
foul detection was erratic and he seemed to have some very fixed
ideas about what does constitute a foul, in particular a
defending player holding their ground as an attacking player
runs into them, an interpretation which I am uneasy with. The
opening Doncaster goal came from a free-kick, where there
appeared minimal contact. The ball was whipped into the far post
and converted, some home fans thought there had been a push on
Lee O'Connor as the ball was crossed, but having re-viewed the
footage, it's very hard to tell. In the second half, an award
was given to Tranmere in roughly the same position for a similar
challenge, which again looked like minimal contact, but
unfortunately for the hosts no goal resulted. The second came
from a penalty, where the ball appeared to be going out of play
when Mr Tallis deemed Luke McGee the Tranmere keeper took the
Doncaster player down. It was the opposite end of the pitch to
me and the footage isn't clear, not enough to suggest a wrong
call was made.
However the main talking point was a Red Card to Tranmere Rovers
manager Andy Crosby, which appeared bizarre. The ball was kicked
out of play for a Doncaster throw-in and Crosby flicked out his
hand making contact with the ball and the referee came over and
brandished the red. It wasn't a situation where the manager had
kept hold of the ball or kicked it away to delay the re-start.
While it's unclear why the hand was flicked, , the hosts were
trailing, with or without the contact the ball was going to end
up in the stand, so why it required such an extreme sanction is
puzzling. Even more so when Mr Tallis had failed to show a YC to
a Doncaster player moments before who had kicked the ball away
after the decision went against him.
[/quote]
The red card for Crosby is extremely harsh, if not totally
wrong. I very much doubt there would even have been a
conversation had he not sent McCann off a few minutes prior. The
penalty looks clear to me though
[/quote]
Was McCann sent off in this game? I didn't notice at the time
and couldn't find any reference on the Donny website.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LKUhD3JcUM
I've tried to link for anyone interested about 0:30 in.
Our assistant manager had no issue with the penalty award in the
post-match interview.
Another thing I missed, during the seventh minute applause for
ex-Rovers winger and Rochdale legend Joe Thompson, which was
impeccably observed by the away fans, there was a spell where
the ball was out of play and Mr Tallis joined in the applause. I
don't know if there was a pre-match discussion about slwing the
game down during that minute, which seemed to happen, but a nice
touch of humanity from Scott Tallis there.
#Post#: 91063--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 18th – Thu 24th APR 2025
By: olliebcafc Date: April 20, 2025, 11:14 am
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[quote author=Boz link=topic=6907.msg91048#msg91048
date=1745153074]
[quote author=olliebcafc link=topic=6907.msg91046#msg91046
date=1745148352]
[quote author=Boz link=topic=6907.msg91037#msg91037
date=1745095085]
Tranmere Rovers FC v Doncaster Rovers FC
Football League 2
Referee: Tallis, Scott
Assistant Referee: Amphlett, Marvyn
Assistant Referee: Jarvis, Danny
Fourth Official: Khan, Abbas
I had been a little wary when this appointment was announced and
it turned out to be another Scott having a poor Good Friday. His
foul detection was erratic and he seemed to have some very fixed
ideas about what does constitute a foul, in particular a
defending player holding their ground as an attacking player
runs into them, an interpretation which I am uneasy with. The
opening Doncaster goal came from a free-kick, where there
appeared minimal contact. The ball was whipped into the far post
and converted, some home fans thought there had been a push on
Lee O'Connor as the ball was crossed, but having re-viewed the
footage, it's very hard to tell. In the second half, an award
was given to Tranmere in roughly the same position for a similar
challenge, which again looked like minimal contact, but
unfortunately for the hosts no goal resulted. The second came
from a penalty, where the ball appeared to be going out of play
when Mr Tallis deemed Luke McGee the Tranmere keeper took the
Doncaster player down. It was the opposite end of the pitch to
me and the footage isn't clear, not enough to suggest a wrong
call was made.
However the main talking point was a Red Card to Tranmere Rovers
manager Andy Crosby, which appeared bizarre. The ball was kicked
out of play for a Doncaster throw-in and Crosby flicked out his
hand making contact with the ball and the referee came over and
brandished the red. It wasn't a situation where the manager had
kept hold of the ball or kicked it away to delay the re-start.
While it's unclear why the hand was flicked, , the hosts were
trailing, with or without the contact the ball was going to end
up in the stand, so why it required such an extreme sanction is
puzzling. Even more so when Mr Tallis had failed to show a YC to
a Doncaster player moments before who had kicked the ball away
after the decision went against him.
[/quote]
The red card for Crosby is extremely harsh, if not totally
wrong. I very much doubt there would even have been a
conversation had he not sent McCann off a few minutes prior. The
penalty looks clear to me though
[/quote]
Was McCann sent off in this game? I didn't notice at the time
and couldn't find any reference on the Donny website.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LKUhD3JcUM
I've tried to link for anyone interested about 0:30 in.
Our assistant manager had no issue with the penalty award in the
post-match interview.
Another thing I missed, during the seventh minute applause for
ex-Rovers winger and Rochdale legend Joe Thompson, which was
impeccably observed by the away fans, there was a spell where
the ball was out of play and Mr Tallis joined in the applause. I
don't know if there was a pre-match discussion about slwing the
game down during that minute, which seemed to happen, but a nice
touch of humanity from Scott Tallis there.
[/quote]
No you’re right. Someone told me he had been, and then I saw a
video of him being sent off in the same fixture, but it was
actually last season and I didn’t realise it was a different
game. So my logic is wrong then!
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