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#Post#: 90396--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 3, 2025, 12:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Scally Bob link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=6864.msg90386#msg90386
date=1743690863]
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=6864.msg90368#msg90368
date=1743662508]
> There’s nothing more to be said about the blatant red card
that was missed but nobody has mentioned that there should have
been another. Pickford has previously put a Liverpool player out
for almost a year by assaulting him after the ball was dead and
nobody has picked up that Nunez was extremely fortunate he
wasn’t injured in the same way. That “challenge” used excessive
force and endangered an opponent yet the only disciplinary
action was a YC for Nunez, presumably for reentering the field
of play without permission. It was violent conduct unless like
Kane on Robertson at Tottenham a few years ago red cards aren’t
given to England internationals.
>
> I was at the game and thought the referee was poor. He allowed
far too much holding and it came as no surprise that Jota
eventually received a yellow card for dissent after he was again
wrestled to the ground and the referee ignored it.
>
> I don’t understand why PGMOL appointed a relatively
inexperienced official to this game. He looked out of his depth.
>
--- End Quote ---
Think you may have slightly red tinted specs on there. It
wasn't anything even vaguely close to VC by Pickford, and
totally different to the previous one where he took out Van Dijk
which I agree certainly should have been a red card.
Jota may need to speak to Jack Grealish to ask him how he gets
the grass stains off his shorts, as he was constantly throwing
himself to the ground after feeling any kind of contact. The
referee, rightly, wasn't having it and let a lot of physical
contact go but consistently.
[/quote]
I’ll readily admit that I’m a Liverpool supporter but maintain
that this is violent conduct. It’s subjective of course but I
believe it endangers Nunez’s safety and is excessive force.
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[/quote]
Its a mistimed tackle. Had play not already been stopped there
would presumably be no suggestion that it was SFP, the players
just didn't realise play had been stopped and it just led to a
foul that couldn't result in a free kick. Had you said that
Pickford should have been cautioned I would probably agree, as
it could be argued it was a reckless challenge.
#Post#: 90397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: Claretman
Date: April 3, 2025, 1:00 pm
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--- Quote from: dave26 link ---
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> Well when VAR was coming into effect in the PL sone members
might recall me saying on the forum that they will use VAR to
bail them out , and I also added prior to Martin Atkinsons
departure that he no longer looked like he was enjoying himself
due to VAR constantly getting involved but now referees are
relying on VAR to make decisions for them
> please scrap VAR it takes away everything for the fans
>
--- End Quote ---
If Var was scrapped then the decision would still be yellow and
the arguements would be the same ie it should have been a red
card. Var should be used correctly or at least Tierney should
have asked Barrott to go to the screen for him to make up his
mind himself. Of course then for him to make the decision
himself we must get away from the perception that the var is
always correct and the pgmol should not be pressurising the on
field referee to go with the var.
#Post#: 90398--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 3, 2025, 1:14 pm
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I suspect that I will be in a minority of one here, but here
goes ......
It is possible that Tierney chose not to intervene because he
did not want to undermine a rookie referee (in Merseyside derby
terms) in the first few minutes of the biggest game (to date) of
his career? It may not be the sole reason, but it might have
lurked in his mind that - if I send him to the screen and
overturn his decision - he'll be a mess for the rest of the
game.
Given that Sam Barrott was "brought up" on VAR I do not think a
visit to the screen would have bothered him at all; but not sure
that Tierney (of a slightly older vintage) thought.
#Post#: 90399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: April 3, 2025, 1:16 pm
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I read somewhere that the Pickford incident may have been missed
by Barrott who had already blown twice and therefore not
following the ball. VAR couldn't intervene for a YC
recommendation.
My other point is regarding the comment that referees aren't
going red and rely on VAR to bail them out. Dermott Gallagher
was quite adamant today that this doesn't happen, condemning it
as bad refereeing. I reluctantly agree because if it was
happening, the post match debrief would pick it up.
Nevertheless, it does appear as if it happens because as Johnson
says detection of SFP in England is poor.
#Post#: 90401--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 3, 2025, 2:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> I suspect that I will be in a minority of one here, but here
goes ......
>
> It is possible that Tierney chose not to intervene because he
did not want to undermine a rookie referee (in Merseyside derby
terms) in the first few minutes of the biggest game (to date) of
his career? It may not be the sole reason, but it might have
lurked in his mind that - if I send him to the screen and
overturn his decision - he'll be a mess for the rest of the
game.
>
> Given that Sam Barrott was "brought up" on VAR I do not think
a visit to the screen would have bothered him at all; but not
sure that Tierney (of a slightly older vintage) thought.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, it's an interesting theory but I'm not sure I quite buy
it. Had Tierney really understood the violence of the tackle
then surely his first instinct would be to bail out his
colleague who had made an obvious error in cautioning rather
than dismissing. That would certainly be the most supportive
thing to do, provide a means to make amends for a wrong call.
Goodness knows what Tierney thought he was watching. I suspect
that because the ball was won, he did not appreciate the
severity and potential danger of the follow through which
appeared to be quite deliberate. It really is the most blatant
red card offence and it is worrying that with the benefit of
different angles, repeats and slow motion Tierney couldn't
recognise the tackle for what it was. There is barely any excuse
for Barrott; there is absolutely none for Tierney and you wonder
how he can be entrusted with VAR reviews in the future after
making such a horrendous and glaringly incompetent error.
#Post#: 90402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: April 3, 2025, 2:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Leggy link=topic=6864.msg90398#msg90398
date=1743704058]
> I suspect that I will be in a minority of one here, but here
goes ......
>
> It is possible that Tierney chose not to intervene because he
did not want to undermine a rookie referee (in Merseyside derby
terms) in the first few minutes of the biggest game (to date) of
his career? It may not be the sole reason, but it might have
lurked in his mind that - if I send him to the screen and
overturn his decision - he'll be a mess for the rest of the
game.
>
> Given that Sam Barrott was "brought up" on VAR I do not think
a visit to the screen would have bothered him at all; but not
sure that Tierney (of a slightly older vintage) thought.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, it's an interesting theory but I'm not sure I quite buy
it. Had Tierney really understood the violence of the tackle
then surely his first instinct would be to bail out his
colleague who had made an obvious error in cautioning rather
than dismissing. That would certainly be the most supportive
thing to do, provide a means to make amends for a wrong call.
Goodness knows what Tierney thought he was watching. I suspect
that because the ball was won, he did not appreciate the
severity and potential danger of the follow through which
appeared to be quite deliberate. It really is the most blatant
red card offence and it is worrying that with the benefit of
different angles, repeats and slow motion Tierney couldn't
recognise the tackle for what it was. There is barely any excuse
for Barrott; there is absolutely none for Tierney and you wonder
how he can be entrusted with VAR reviews in the future after
making such a horrendous and glaringly incompetent error.
[/quote]
After the Darren England shambles with the offside at Spurs in
the past, the debacle last night I think ranks second in the
list of all time shockers from VAR.
Dermot Gallagher spoke in the past regarding a seeming “pecking
order of officials” and whether this would affect the decision
to recommend a review or not. He seems to think there is.
So I can see where our esteemed contributor Leggy is coming
from, however in my mind this theorem should not be in any way
deterministic of whether an official should be marched to the
monitor.
Let’s face it, it’s a rank bad call from Tierney, and I hope the
lessons (like after the aforementioned Darren England incident),
are learned from and action taken to stop this happening again.
Incidentally, I wonder what would have happened if this decision
was made in a UEFA controlled match environment.
Tierney would be toast IMO.
#Post#: 90404--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: dave26
Date: April 3, 2025, 2:49 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> [quote author=dave26 link=topic=6864.msg90392#msg90392
date=1743697108]
> Well when VAR was coming into effect in the PL sone members
might recall me saying on the forum that they will use VAR to
bail them out , and I also added prior to Martin Atkinsons
departure that he no longer looked like he was enjoying himself
due to VAR constantly getting involved but now referees are
relying on VAR to make decisions for them
> please scrap VAR it takes away everything for the fans
>
--- End Quote ---
If Var was scrapped then the decision would still be yellow and
the arguements would be the same ie it should have been a red
card. Var should be used correctly or at least Tierney should
have asked Barrott to go to the screen for him to make up his
mind himself. Of course then for him to make the decision
himself we must get away from the perception that the var is
always correct and the pgmol should not be pressurising the on
field referee to go with the var.
[/quote]
You are probably right but there is still doubt in my mind as I
feel the on find referees wouldn’t have VAR to back then up (
they are to reliant on it )
#Post#: 90405--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: April 3, 2025, 3:06 pm
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I can understand where Leggy is coming from, but personally I
agree with Whisteblower.
I suspect when we hear the audio it will be about the ball being
played and the contact being in the kicking arc, or being
unavoidable etc etc. This is what happens when you are trying to
fit every situation into a predetermined box of parameters, and
not taking a big picture view.
And while Darren England's error is probably worse, that was an
error in procedure/communication. In terms of judgement, this is
the worst VAR error I have seen yet.
The calls for Tierney to be sacked though, are, of course,
ridiculous. I saw Paul Merson saying that he should be and that
this put players in danger, well, I assume he will be calling
for Tarkowski's sacking too.
#Post#: 90414--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: April 3, 2025, 4:02 pm
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I have to take issue with Leggy’s opinion. VAR wasn’t introduced
to protect officials it was introduced to ensure that the Laws
are properly applied. A Match Official is there to apply the
Laws without fear or favour and prior to VAR that blatant red
card could be understood if not accepted but now we are
subjected to it there’s no excuse.
Howard Webb makes Mike Riley appear competent.
#Post#: 90417--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Everton Sam Barrott
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 3, 2025, 4:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Scally Bob link ---
>
> I have to take issue with Leggy’s opinion. VAR wasn’t
introduced to protect officials it was introduced to ensure that
the Laws are properly applied. A Match Official is there to
apply the Laws without fear or favour and prior to VAR that
blatant red card could be understood if not accepted but now we
are subjected to it there’s no excuse.
>
> Howard Webb makes Mike Riley appear competent.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would counter your taking issue and take further issue. VAR
was absolutely not introduced to ensure that the laws are
properly applied, it was introduced with a view to trying to
correct clear and obvious errors.
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