DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
RateTheRef
HTML https://ratetheref.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: General Discussion
*****************************************************
#Post#: 90069--------------------------------------------------
Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: March 26, 2025, 5:30 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Another article in The Times today on the Player to Match
Official programme run by PGMOL. Names mentioned are:
Liam Trotter (ipswich, Millwall, Bolton), Carl Baker (Coventry,
MKD, Portsmouth), Chris Birchall (Port Vale, Coventry), Peter
Vincenti (Rochdale, Aldershot), Tony Griffith (Port Vale,
Orient), Sam Mantom (Walsall, Southend).
Getting them to change their psyche from a player to a referee
is apparently a key part of the challenge facing the PGMOL with
this programme. An interesting read.
#Post#: 90077--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: Mr Castilli
Date: March 26, 2025, 8:44 am
---------------------------------------------------------
HTML https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13336075/former-player-birchall-trains-to-become-referee-this-is-what-the-game-has-been-crying-out-for
Not in 3 years Birchall…..
Thing is I don’t buy into this “ex player”
Anyone can become a ref, it depends on your personality skills,
ability to manage people, have empathy, but also the challenge
bad behaviour and then be able to administer justice.
To me birchall already overthinking it, with his comment “he
will go into games giving an running commentary “ he soon learn
that the more you talk, players will town back and then your
open to missing something because your literally spending half
your time giving a running commentary
#Post#: 90080--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: March 26, 2025, 9:31 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> Another article in The Times today on the Player to Match
Official programme run by PGMOL. Names mentioned are:
>
> Liam Trotter (ipswich, Millwall, Bolton), Carl Baker
(Coventry, MKD, Portsmouth), Chris Birchall (Port Vale,
Coventry), Peter Vincenti (Rochdale, Aldershot), Tony Griffith
(Port Vale, Orient), Sam Mantom (Walsall, Southend).
>
> Getting them to change their psyche from a player to a referee
is apparently a key part of the challenge facing the PGMOL with
this programme. An interesting read.
>
--- End Quote ---
Perhaps they should spend some time with Hackett… 🫣
#Post#: 90090--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 26, 2025, 11:29 am
---------------------------------------------------------
This argument that ex players would make better referees has
been running ever since the late Jack Taylor OBE was a lad. The
reason being "they understand the game ". I don't buy it either.
As an earlier correspondent notes, personality and people skills
are hugely important, to which I would add not being frightened
of being unpopular for doing the right thing.
#Post#: 90095--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 26, 2025, 3:42 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Mr Castilli link ---
>
> To me birchall already overthinking it, with his comment “he
will go into games giving an running commentary “ he soon learn
that the more you talk, players will town back and then your
open to missing something because your literally spending half
your time giving a running commentary
>
--- End Quote ---
Senior referees for a long time now have been encouraged to
constantly talk during the game. Warn, encourage, praise, etc,
senior level referees will rarely be quiet in a game, and it is
something that I was frequently picked up by observers for, in
that they said they couldn't hear me.
#Post#: 90106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: March 27, 2025, 4:27 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Mr Castilli link=topic=6850.msg90077#msg90077
date=1742996652]
> To me birchall already overthinking it, with his comment “he
will go into games giving an running commentary “ he soon learn
that the more you talk, players will town back and then your
open to missing something because your literally spending half
your time giving a running commentary
>
--- End Quote ---
Senior referees for a long time now have been encouraged to
constantly talk during the game. Warn, encourage, praise, etc,
senior level referees will rarely be quiet in a game, and it is
something that I was frequently picked up by observers for, in
that they said they couldn't hear me.
[/quote]
'Explain', yes definitely, but 'encourage' and 'praise', I'm not
sure that's appropriate at that level. Open to accusations of
bias perhaps and shades of parents refereeing their childrens'
matches in the park.
#Post#: 90109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: March 27, 2025, 5:06 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> This argument that ex players would make better referees has
been running ever since the late Jack Taylor OBE was a lad. The
reason being "they understand the game ". I don't buy it either.
As an earlier correspondent notes, personality and people skills
are hugely important, to which I would add not being frightened
of being unpopular for doing the right thing.
>
--- End Quote ---
To which John Brooks seems to be the perfect advocate of such a
wise policy.
He certainly doesn’t seem irked at making strong decisions and
when the need arises he certainly doesn’t portray a “matey”
relationship with players.
He will reach the top in my opinion, and definitely the heir to
Taylor when he is dethroned.
#Post#: 90119--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 27, 2025, 12:27 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=6850.msg90095#msg90095
date=1743021775]
> [quote author=Mr Castilli link=topic=6850.msg90077#msg90077
date=1742996652]
> To me birchall already overthinking it, with his comment “he
will go into games giving an running commentary “ he soon learn
that the more you talk, players will town back and then your
open to missing something because your literally spending half
your time giving a running commentary
>
--- End Quote ---
Senior referees for a long time now have been encouraged to
constantly talk during the game. Warn, encourage, praise, etc,
senior level referees will rarely be quiet in a game, and it is
something that I was frequently picked up by observers for, in
that they said they couldn't hear me.
[/quote]
'Explain', yes definitely, but 'encourage' and 'praise', I'm not
sure that's appropriate at that level. Open to accusations of
bias perhaps and shades of parents refereeing their childrens'
matches in the park.
[/quote]
The argument is you are giving them instructions such as be
careful, don't foul him, etc, so no harm in thanking them when
they follow those instructions. I didn't mean praise like good
shot, great goal, rather things like "good tackle, keep
playing", that is praise but isn't leaving them open to
accusations of bias.
#Post#: 90125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 27, 2025, 2:15 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
It's a moot point of how much the referee should offer such
words of caution, advice and praise. Clearly it is in vogue now
that the referee should be a sort of 'match counsellor' but I
tend to side more with the words of the well known Rugby referee
Roman Poite "I am a referee not a coach"
#Post#: 90133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Would ex-pros make better referees?
DIR By: RCG
Date: March 28, 2025, 4:11 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> It's a moot point of how much the referee should offer such
words of caution, advice and praise. Clearly it is in vogue now
that the referee should be a sort of 'match counsellor' but I
tend to side more with the words of the well known Rugby referee
Roman Poite "I am a referee not a coach"
>
--- End Quote ---
But rugby referees do spend a lot of their time preventing
things- "no, don't go in there", hands off, too late, player
laying on wrong side, back foot, get onside, wait, out the 10
etc etc
All used to prevent having to whistle- as long as both teams get
same level of assistance then all good? (Hence refs, Eng refs in
particular speaking French where needed)
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 2
DIR Next Page