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Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: elbee94 Date: March 5, 2025, 1:44 am
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Colchester United FC (First Team) v Chesterfield FC (First Team)
Football League 2
Referee: Durkin, James
Assistant Referee: Maskell, Garry
Assistant Referee: Howick, Kevin
Fourth Official: Lister-Flynn, Paul
A good night for James and team yesterday on the most part. An
uneventful first half and a fairly quiet second half, he ticked
the game along nicely, with little needed intervention. Two
yellows, one for dissent and one for a mistimed tackle. I’m not
sure if it reflected the manner of the game but his whistle was
very quiet! There were a couple of fouls/no fouls that I think
went Colchester’s way, but nothing that was offensive. His
timekeeping, which I think has been poor before, was better,
with 2 and 6 minutes added on (I expected 3 and 7 so close
enough).
Then a late red card to end the game which i’m not sure about.
From my view in the stands, it didn’t look any worse than a
yellow and I definitely didn’t expect a red card, but I think
James thinks he was high and possible studs showing. TV angles
are inconclusive, so i’ll have to trust James saw that one
right, but Chesterfield may not be so happy.
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Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: Tupist Date: March 5, 2025, 2:29 am
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[quote author=Ryanellis link=topic=6746.msg89345#msg89345
date=1741107515]
[quote author=Tupist link=topic=6746.msg89294#msg89294
date=1741042829]
[quote author=Ryanellis link=topic=6746.msg89187#msg89187
date=1740945759]
Wasn’t a bad performance from Scott Tallis and team yesterday at
Chesterfield v Crewe. Chesterfield fans aren’t happy at AR1 for
a potential offside on our 3rd goal. You can’t tell from camera
position. However, 9 mins were added in the second half. Why???
1 injury, 1 goal, and a bunch of subs. I have absolutely no idea
why there was 9. I said 6 and that was at a push. Luckily, it
didn’t hurt Crewe!
[/quote]
Disagree. His game management was poor, the Crewe keeper
extracted the urine un checked for the whole game after Crewe's
first. Adding 3 minutes at H/T was pathetic each goal
celebration took 2+ minutes and then you have the keepers
antics. We guessed overhaul the keeper was in possession of the
ball for over 10 minutes.
A deserved victory but credibility diminished by taking
advantage of Mr Taliis's poor game management.
Could I have your view on the back pass law, mine appears to
differ to MrTalli's.
[/quote]
I don’t remember the back pass as such, but I do remember when
it happened. The goal celebrations weren’t 2+ mins. I recorded
the first goal, to when we celebrated and then kicked off. It
was 1 min 10 seconds. X2 = 2mins 20 so 3 mins would be fair.
From a Crewe pov, he was fine but I understand why Chesterfield
would feel aggrieved, especially with our goal keeper. Although,
I don’t think he was that bad and I’ve certainly seen worse
(Carlisle, and Crewe Alex made a Tik tok about it).
Another good win for Crewe and I hope this continues today. Fair
play to Chesterfield for 8000 fans, very impressive for league
two and for a side in the bottom half of the table.
[/quote]
I realise back passes are rare and perhaps, as mentioned
somewhere else not liked by refs because managing the resultant
free kick is hassle. But for you to miss 2 (1poor by the
defender the other I'm not sure what the keeper was thinking)
both at your end with the crowd showing their anger and players
looking stunned is strange. Credit to the keeper on these
occasions he actually moved the ball very quickly trying to
catch out CFC playersniw stunned and on the back foot.
On the 3 minutes added you don't mention the leg amputation
when Maddon was rightly cautioned. You also fail to mention the
inordinate amount of time the keeper took frustrating everyone
when taking goal kicks it was plain to see, but Tallis did
nothing, poor game management. So in response to your opening
statement, "it was" doesn't read the game.
It is a worry that folk appear to becoming to accept sh..housery
tactics as the norm
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Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: Tupist Date: March 5, 2025, 2:38 am
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[quote author=elbee94 link=topic=6746.msg89370#msg89370
date=1741160657]
Colchester United FC (First Team) v Chesterfield FC (First Team)
Football League 2
Referee: Durkin, James
Assistant Referee: Maskell, Garry
Assistant Referee: Howick, Kevin
Fourth Official: Lister-Flynn, Paul
A good night for James and team yesterday on the most part. An
uneventful first half and a fairly quiet second half, he ticked
the game along nicely, with little needed intervention. Two
yellows, one for dissent and one for a mistimed tackle. I’m not
sure if it reflected the manner of the game but his whistle was
very quiet! There were a couple of fouls/no fouls that I think
went Colchester’s way, but nothing that was offensive. His
timekeeping, which I think has been poor before, was better,
with 2 and 6 minutes added on (I expected 3 and 7 so close
enough).
Then a late red card to end the game which i’m not sure about.
From my view in the stands, it didn’t look any worse than a
yellow and I definitely didn’t expect a red card, but I think
James thinks he was high and possible studs showing. TV angles
are inconclusive, so i’ll have to trust James saw that one
right, but Chesterfield may not be so happy.
[/quote]
Can't comment due to circumstances I was restricted to the
radio last night. But whenever we have Me Durkin we never seem
to get the "rub of the green". However listening to the
commentary, is green the appropriate colour? ::)
#Post#: 89376--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: elbee94 Date: March 5, 2025, 4:19 am
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[quote author=Tupist link=topic=6746.msg89373#msg89373
date=1741163925]
[quote author=elbee94 link=topic=6746.msg89370#msg89370
date=1741160657]
Colchester United FC (First Team) v Chesterfield FC (First Team)
Football League 2
Referee: Durkin, James
Assistant Referee: Maskell, Garry
Assistant Referee: Howick, Kevin
Fourth Official: Lister-Flynn, Paul
A good night for James and team yesterday on the most part. An
uneventful first half and a fairly quiet second half, he ticked
the game along nicely, with little needed intervention. Two
yellows, one for dissent and one for a mistimed tackle. I’m not
sure if it reflected the manner of the game but his whistle was
very quiet! There were a couple of fouls/no fouls that I think
went Colchester’s way, but nothing that was offensive. His
timekeeping, which I think has been poor before, was better,
with 2 and 6 minutes added on (I expected 3 and 7 so close
enough).
Then a late red card to end the game which i’m not sure about.
From my view in the stands, it didn’t look any worse than a
yellow and I definitely didn’t expect a red card, but I think
James thinks he was high and possible studs showing. TV angles
are inconclusive, so i’ll have to trust James saw that one
right, but Chesterfield may not be so happy.
[/quote]
Can't comment due to circumstances I was restricted to the
radio last night. But whenever we have Me Durkin we never seem
to get the "rub of the green". However listening to the
commentary, is green the appropriate colour? ::)
[/quote]
I thought Colchester got 2 or 3 50/50’s, but it really wasn’t
much. There was an appeal for a foul by the corner flag which
looked a foul and James gave a goalkick and there was a foul by
the edge of the box (not sure if inside or outside), but that
looked like they were pulling each other’s shirts. Another
referee may have given Sheckleford a second yellow for a
shirtpull as Tovide got away. Certainly nothing that had an
impact on the final result in my opinion.
#Post#: 89379--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: elbee94 Date: March 5, 2025, 5:31 am
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Bit of a clanger from Adam Nichol at Huddersfield last night,
with Steven Fletcher being behind the goalkeeper (and possibly
the last defender too). Huddersfield fans rightly not happy and
one he’ll be kicking himself to have missed i’m sure.
HTML https://x.com/afoleyjones/status/1897040297106006290?s=46
#Post#: 89380--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: aaa Date: March 5, 2025, 5:52 am
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I just want to put this out there as I thought everyone knew
this but obviously not. If you have a 4O at any level of
football, it is the responsibility of the 40 to calculate added
times, not the Referee. If he/she tells the Referee, so so
amount was lost in 45 minutes of football, the Referee goes
along with it.
#Post#: 89381--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: Tupist Date: March 5, 2025, 7:08 am
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[quote author=aaa link=topic=6746.msg89380#msg89380
date=1741175541]
I just want to put this out there as I thought everyone knew
this but obviously not. If you have a 4O at any level of
football, it is the responsibility of the 40 to calculate added
times, not the Referee. If he/she tells the Referee, so so
amount was lost in 45 minutes of football, the Referee goes
along with it.
[/quote]
And on whose directive do they do this calculation? Who decides
what situation warrents added time? Do they not discuss it over
the comms?
At the start of last season Who decided to play the correct
time, eg. 6 and then possibly double figures at 90 and why did
it suddenly stop with no public notification?
Sorry alot of questions but putting the blame on the 4th is
unfair.
#Post#: 89383--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: Ref Watcher Date: March 5, 2025, 8:46 am
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[quote author=elbee94 link=topic=6746.msg89379#msg89379
date=1741174264]
Bit of a clanger from Adam Nichol at Huddersfield last night,
with Steven Fletcher being behind the goalkeeper (and possibly
the last defender too). Huddersfield fans rightly not happy and
one he’ll be kicking himself to have missed i’m sure.
HTML https://x.com/afoleyjones/status/1897040297106006290?s=46
[/quote]
I am not convinced this is a wrong decision. One defender is on
the goal line. The player who puts the ball into the net is on
or behind the line. The goalkeeper may also be touching the
goal line but his exact position would be obscured from the
assistant by the attacker. Where players are on or beyond the
goal line, they are deemed to be on it. It seems reasonable for
the assistant to assume that the goalkeeper is touching the line
(benefit of the doubt to the attacker) so all three players are
level with one another in which case there is no offside.
Certainly not a calamitous decision.
#Post#: 89385--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: elbee94 Date: March 5, 2025, 8:54 am
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[quote author=Ref Watcher link=topic=6746.msg89383#msg89383
date=1741185970]
[quote author=elbee94 link=topic=6746.msg89379#msg89379
date=1741174264]
Bit of a clanger from Adam Nichol at Huddersfield last night,
with Steven Fletcher being behind the goalkeeper (and possibly
the last defender too). Huddersfield fans rightly not happy and
one he’ll be kicking himself to have missed i’m sure.
HTML https://x.com/afoleyjones/status/1897040297106006290?s=46
[/quote]
I am not convinced this is a wrong decision. One defender is on
the goal line. The player who puts the ball into the net is on
or behind the line. The goalkeeper may also be touching the
goal line but his exact position would be obscured from the
assistant by the attacker. Where players are on or beyond the
goal line, they are deemed to be on it. It seems reasonable for
the assistant to assume that the goalkeeper is touching the line
(benefit of the doubt to the attacker) so all three players are
level with one another in which case there is no offside.
Certainly not a calamitous decision.
[/quote]
Thanks for the explanation - I still think it’s offside given
that, but perhaps not as obvious or blatant as it looks on first
viewing then.
#Post#: 89389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sat 1st - Tue 4th MAR 2025
By: Ryanellis Date: March 5, 2025, 10:13 am
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It could be described as a horror show from Ben Speedie, and
also AR2 for some part. He was extremely inconsistent with foul
recognition. A lot of soft fouls were given to Fleetwood, ok,
but when this happened to Crewe he didn’t give them to which
eventually lead to the chants “cheat cheat cheat.” I think the
scoreline does show Fleetwood very well, as they were good and
played us off the park but one incident in the game, I think,
lowered the mood inside the stadium and players became a lot
more cautious. So, at no fault of any of the two players, both
number 10’s went in for a 50/50 ball. Our player comes out the
worst, with also hearing a snap. Physio rushed on as well as the
stretcher. Play was halted for about 8 mins, with Shilow Tracey
receiving treatment from this freak accident. Everyone inside
the stadium applauded, including Ben Speedie, as he got
stretched off and eventually went to the local hospital. You can
tell from our managers interview how awful he felt. I want to
believe that Shilow has broke his leg, or certainly done some
very very serious damage to it because of the sound that I
heard. This, as I said, dampened the mood inside the stadium and
to which made it a pretty dull affair, particularly on the Crewe
side. For the second goal - it looked well offside to me. AR2,
who I believe was making his debut in the efl, said he was
onside but a lot of people around me, in line, all were annoyed
at the assistant. I’ll see if I can look again but my initial
reaction was offside. Fleetwood seemed to get away with a lot
more than Crewe were, which led to our manager becoming
frustrated. Sarcastic cheers were also being rung round the
stadium after Ben gave us a free kick to which we were denied a
few. Overall, a disappointing performance from Mr Speedie, 3/10
for me. I wish Shilow Tracey for best in his recovery and I want
to see him back out on the pitch. Fleetwood manager also did say
that their player who went in for the challenge also feels
devastated about what has happened.
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