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R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: November 29, 2024, 3:35 pm
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Very unique offside intervention for VAR.
I do think Armstrong has made a play for the ball given the
flick up of his leg towards the ball, which was a clear movement
given the adjustment in his running style. I was actually
wondering if VAR couldn’t see the ball to determine if Archer
was ahead of it or behind on first glance.
Whether that’s affected the Brighton defender is negligible, but
Archer unfortunately onside.
As for Jones, he’s done well again, and another game at the AMEX
he’s officiating where the cards have been out in force to both
benches following that minor skirmish.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: Marvin Grapevine
Date: November 29, 2024, 3:50 pm
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I’m astonished that this is offside and Rashford - running 20
yards directly at the ball before moving away at the last minute
- famously wasn’t in the Manchester derby.
The laws of the game do not help IMO. There are often decisions
given which do not match what fans expect them to be, and
explaining that technically they are correct just alienates
officials more.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: TA_Ref
Date: November 29, 2024, 4:14 pm
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Very tough one for VAR there. As previously said, you can tell
Armstrong has deliberately flicked his heel up towards the ball
and then you’re diving into the offside rule very thoroughly. To
be completely honest, the laws change so much I don’t know the
current version but I do not believe that little attempted flick
has influenced the play in any way, shape or form. The onfield
decision I believe was offside (?) so I think that VAR are right
to stay with that decision.
We can always bring up that Rashford offside but that was now
2/3 seasons ago and like I already said, the laws change so much
that any decision from another season cannot be used as a
suitable comparison
Overall, good stuff from Rob Jones. Very consistent with fouls
and level of contact (which was admittedly quite low). Felt a
bit sorry for him during that long VAR check as you could see he
seemed a bit uncomfortable imo.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: Ref95
Date: November 30, 2024, 2:12 am
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Very interesting one, probably depends on what the offside
on-field was a given for really. If it was given against Archer
then Jones should have been sent to the screen to determine
Armstrong’s involvement, if it was given against Armstrong I can
understand staying with the on-field decision. I might add, that
had the on-field call been onside, I would also expect them to
stick with this.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: November 30, 2024, 2:21 am
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VAR is being criticised in some circles but this is not a VAR
issue but an issue with interpretation of the laws in this
situation. On field decision is offside so maybe VAR stuck with
that although offside calls are a matter of fact. A difficult
one this and I am struggling to decide what the correct decision
is.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: November 30, 2024, 3:05 am
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I’ve been mulling over this again.
Is this offside offence not a subjective decision, on the basis
that Armstrong may or may not have been active in an offside
position, and didn’t touch the ball.
There are many precedents where the referee has been sent to the
screen for this type of decision?
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: Marvin Grapevine
Date: November 30, 2024, 4:25 am
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There is no way Armstrong’s actions caused any impact to either
of the defenders or the keeper.
Therefore it should have been a goal.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: rustyref
Date: November 30, 2024, 5:40 am
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--- Quote from: Marvin Grapevine link ---
>
> There is no way Armstrong’s actions caused any impact to
either of the defenders or the keeper.
>
> Therefore it should have been a goal.
>
--- End Quote ---
As the laws stand it is a clear offside offence. He's in front
of the keeper, so he can't properly react until he sees whether
Armstrong touches the ball or not. Would he have saved it
without Armstrong making that action? Who knows, and probably
not, but the fact of the matter is Armstrong did attempt to play
the ball, and that means he committed an offside offence.
#Post#: 85432--------------------------------------------------
Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: UmpireIan49
Date: November 30, 2024, 6:03 am
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Have just seen this incident and it falls into the “subjective”
category.
Offside was given on field I believe? If that’s wrong, then by
all means correct me, but in the old days, the decision would
have stood and the game moves on.
It took Jarred Gillett (who’s had a very good season by the way
on VAR during his enforced lay off) four minutes to decide on no
goal. That is too long, in fairness, but it’s two people’s view
(VAR and AVAR) on a subjective decision.
Why did the Southampton striker stick a leg out to play the
ball? That’s what Gillett was deciding, did it affect the play?
In his opinion, yes, and I happen to agree with it.
The Southampton manager complained about it but I would be more
concerned about the lack of discipline by him on more than one
occasion this season and by the Brighton manager too. You can
argue about this decision until the cows come home, but you are
dealing with one person’s opinion.
The laws do change so much now that there is a lack of clarity.
Howard Webb will doubtless deal with it on his Sky programme
soon.
As I said, I would have arrived at the same conclusion.
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Re: R JONES - Brighton v Southampton
DIR By: Marvin Grapevine
Date: December 2, 2024, 3:51 am
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How does this decision sit with the one against Southampton when
Merino actually attempted to head a ball (that was in front of
him and clearly playable) from an offside position? Martinelli
then scored, and the goal was given.
For me the two decisions are the wrong way around. Merino *did*
impact on the keeper, whereas Armstrong didn't.
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