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#Post#: 5790--------------------------------------------------
Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: March 10, 2019, 4:07 am
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Ever since it was first brought into the game, I have been
against the use of VAR. I think it spoils football and isn’t
clear cut unlike goal line technology. However, yesterday I
watched MOTD and thought about how some of our alleged top refs
need this help.
Firstly, there was Pawson. Knockaert was very fortunate to get
away with a clear SFP challenge. Was Pawson caught cold with it
being so early in the game?
Secondly, the widely discussed Mr Mason. How Pickford survived
his six nations style challenge we shall never know, but another
clear red missed.
Finally Mr Friend. I can accept the yellow card for the alleged
denial (although can also see the argument for red). It’s the
incident towards the end of the game that baffles me. Friend is
right next to the incident where the Spurs player steps on the
back of the Southampton players Achilles before reacting
aggressively and (IMO) attempting a headbut. How can Friend
possibly justify a yellow a piece?
Hopefully VAR will help to clear these incident up next season.
The worry for me, if this had been Hooper or East (for example)
they’d be facing a few weeks out of the PL. What are the chances
that at least 2 of these 3 officials will have a game in the
next full PL set?
Btw, I forgot to even mention Tierney and his intervention at
City!
#Post#: 5793--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: March 10, 2019, 7:59 am
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I've yet to see the Knockaert incident but the tv commentator
said he was lucky to be on the pitch and of course he went on to
score the winning goal. The sanctions dished out by Friend
shocked me. How he could possibly decide that both players were
equally culpable if he saw the incidents clearly is a mystery.
Enough said about Pickford and Mason. I just hope Marriner,
Oliver and Moss have better afternoons.
#Post#: 5803--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: bmb
Date: March 10, 2019, 11:48 am
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I think I fall into the category of reluctant acceptance
regarding VAR. I suspect we all agree that referees need that
little bit of help in the modern game, the speed it is now
played at, the player gamesmanship that can be more skillful
than their actual ball play and it has reached the stage where 2
human eyes are simply not enough anymore. My bigger problem
with VAR isn't so much the need for it but that errors are just
as easy with it! There are still many tweaks to do to perfect it
but they cannot be done without wider use of it, which then
shows where improvements need making, clearer instructions need
giving etc. We have to ride out that phase without moaning and
accept that it will be evolving and adapting over the next
couple of years or so and that errors will continue even with
its use. I do ultimately think it will be a good thing, and I am
not a fan of technology in football. The referees need the
help, not due to incompetence, fitness etc. but due to a wide
range of factors so while not a huge fan I can accept it because
they need it.
#Post#: 5804--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Skydank
Date: March 10, 2019, 12:23 pm
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Most worrying for me is that we really shouldn't need VAR for
these decisions, they are just poor.
Always thought VAR is needed for when the official is unsighted
or happens too quickly and second look is needed.
#Post#: 5807--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Jherbert
Date: March 10, 2019, 1:18 pm
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I watches MOTD and whilst there were some mistake by the
referees, that is human error. I read a post about
incompetence. I’m. It sure. I think just an error. Lee Mason at
Newcastle whilst I think should be a red card it looked like he
wasn’t in the best position. That happens. With regards Man City
I think this was a confusion and don’t know what happened but
they made a call in real time and that is part and parcel of
football. With re Southampton whilst Sissoko is lucky, I don’t
see it as violent. I thought it was more aggressive and the
yellow card was right. There will always be debates and
disagreements but I just believe they are referee judgement
calls. On a side note I notice on other social media that ex
referees like to really have a go at these referees now. Why is
that? Very strange. As an ex player (only lower level) I would
never slag my team mates off.
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Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Hendo
Date: March 10, 2019, 1:21 pm
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I always thought VAR was essentially to be used when there was a
glaring and obvious error. Skomiina’s last week for example does
not fall into that category as evidenced I suggest by the
conflicting opinions on whether it was a penalty or not (when
even a die hard Red like Rio Ferdinand is adamant it was not a
pen then you know it’s all a bit dodgy). The VAR Ref should not
have got involved as it wasn’t a glaring and obvious error
(Skomina wanted to stick with a corner kick) and that’s what
worries me as we saw in the World Cup last year, the risk of 2nd
string officials (in the sense that they are not on-field)
wanting their pennyworth, intent on getting involved when they
think they can, almost trying to justify their existence but in
doing so undermining the on field officials.
Once a doubt has been cast I fear most decisions will be
reversed and it will take a brave Ref to stick by his original
decision. It’s a shame Skomina didn’t have the courage of his
own convictions as it would have sent out a positive message to
other refs who may face similar circumstances as VAR rolls out I
feel.
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Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Matt
Date: March 10, 2019, 2:09 pm
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Is the Knockaert tackle the one in the first 20 seconds of the
match?
#Post#: 5811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: March 10, 2019, 2:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> I always thought VAR was essentially to be used when there was
a glaring and obvious error. Skomiina’s last week for example
does not fall into that category as evidenced I suggest by the
conflicting opinions on whether it was a penalty or not (when
even a die hard Red like Rio Ferdinand is adamant it was not a
pen then you know it’s all a bit dodgy). The VAR Ref should not
have got involved as it wasn’t a glaring and obvious error
(Skomina wanted to stick with a corner kick) and that’s what
worries me as we saw in the World Cup last year, the risk of 2nd
string officials (in the sense that they are not on-field)
wanting their pennyworth, intent on getting involved when they
think they can, almost trying to justify their existence but in
doing so undermining the on field officials.
> Once a doubt has been cast I fear most decisions will be
reversed and it will take a brave Ref to stick by his original
decision. It’s a shame Skomina didn’t have the courage of his
own convictions as it would have sent out a positive message to
other refs who may face similar circumstances as VAR rolls out I
feel.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hendo, I am of a similar opinion to yourself about this and I
shall always have this nagging doubt in my mind about the World
Cup Final and also about the penalty call last week.
When a referee is summoned to go and have another look at an
incident, is he then thinking that his International career
could be on the line if he does not change his decision? I would
hope not, however, after the WC incident, I cannot help but feel
that undue pressure was put on the referee to award a penalty
rather than stick with his original decision. My reasoning for
this was the fact that he had looked at the incident and was on
his way back onto the pitch and was then recalled again and he
then changed his decision.
None of us know exactly what was said between the referee and
the VAR operators or if someone else was involved ----I shall
always suspect that there was undue pressure brought to bear
---of course ---I could be 100% wrong but I shall never know!
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Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: RCG
Date: March 10, 2019, 3:24 pm
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Spot on Ashington. I think an expectation is being set that the
VAR view is correct and that referees are being "summoned" to
check things and feel under pressure to accept the decision.
Tackles and match incidents have to be viewed at full pace (as
Rugby try to insist on, with slow motion used for detail not
first decision)
Also with offsides VAR is effectively reversing the long held
teaching of benefit of doubt going to attacking team.
The point of VAR I thought was to give the officials a different
angle that they wouldnt naturally have to raise decision making
accuracy further, not to referee the game from a TV truck
#Post#: 5817--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is VAR such a bad thing?
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: March 10, 2019, 3:32 pm
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I have been an advocate of the premise of VAR for many years -
probably at least 10-15.
Of course it will not clear up everything and we have to accept
that there will sometimes be goals disallowed on technicalities
that would not previously have been detected/punished but I
think this is worthwhile for instances where a goal is allowed
when a player is clearly a yard or two offside or conversely a
goal is wrongly disallowed when a player was clearly a yard or
two onside.
I think in some cases VAR is exposing the differences in
interpretation that occur around the world and how the
authorities might perceive offences in a different way to which
most supporters do - as I've said elsewhere, it seems that
instances such as the two handballs in the Champions League
games involving Manchester clubs recently and the World Cup
final are regarded as handball offences by UEFA/FIFA but it is
only now we are seeing these consistently punished, presumably
because the situations are harder to spot without access to
technology. I think we sometimes did see them given in the past
but we regarded them as wrong decisions, in part because they
were the exception to the rule and rarely given. With VAR, I
think we are going to find that these type of situations are
punished much more frequently because the authorities consider
them to be clear offences even if most of us don't.
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