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Re: M OLIVER - Germany v Denmark
By: Ernie1777 Date: June 29, 2024, 6:16 pm
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Good performance from the team for the 3 games. It seems the
future games have other names penciled in but they should be
happy with how it went and rosetti was there in the tunnel.
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Re: M OLIVER - Germany v Denmark
By: Leggy Date: June 30, 2024, 5:29 am
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[quote author=Adam link=topic=6101.msg80774#msg80774
date=1719693328]
That isn't handball, however the law says its handball.
[/quote]
This is what "the game" wanted. They were unhappy with the law
as it was written and interpreted and wanted a "black and white"
definition of handball. That is what we now have. It might be
a nonsense (my opinion only)but it is an excellent example of
"be careful what you wish for".
Michael Oliver could easily have decided to use a grain of
common sense and not awarded the penalty, because the contact
was so minimal that it needed a snickometer to confirm it and
there was no intent. But it would have been the last
international appointment of his career.
If "the game" does not like the current handball Law, it needs
to influence IFAB to change it. Perhaps giving referees the
discretion to use their common sense and judgement to decide who
is trying to gain an unfair advantage and who is not ......?
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Re: M OLIVER - Germany v Denmark
By: Affy_Moose Date: June 30, 2024, 7:06 am
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[quote author=Leggy link=topic=6101.msg80792#msg80792
date=1719743365]
[quote author=Adam link=topic=6101.msg80774#msg80774
date=1719693328]
That isn't handball, however the law says its handball.
[/quote]
This is what "the game" wanted. They were unhappy with the law
as it was written and interpreted and wanted a "black and white"
definition of handball. That is what we now have. It might be
a nonsense (my opinion only)but it is an excellent example of
"be careful what you wish for".
Michael Oliver could easily have decided to use a grain of
common sense and not awarded the penalty, because the contact
was so minimal that it needed a snickometer to confirm it and
there was no intent. But it would have been the last
international appointment of his career.
If "the game" does not like the current handball Law, it needs
to influence IFAB to change it. Perhaps giving referees the
discretion to use their common sense and judgement to decide who
is trying to gain an unfair advantage and who is not ......?
[/quote]
Of course you are completely correct. Unfortunately, football
‘wants’ both ‘common sense’ and ‘consistency’ which are
diametrically opposed.
In the last few years we moved towards almost all handballs
being penalties (see Spurs v Liverpool CL final season) and then
football decided it didn’t like it. It’s moved back a bit, but
still a problem.
As a fan and an official, I would prefer that the guidelines on
‘normal position… or as a consequence or justifiable by normal
body movement’ was tidied up. IFAB and UEFA/FIFA have a huge
amount of responsibility here. It’s too ambiguous if that’s all
that is provided to the football public.
I’m fed up of Law 12 being written in fairly simple language,
only for all the guidance, coaching, and advice to be provided
‘off-table’. Terms like ‘proximity’ or ‘barrier’ for handball,
and ‘point of contact’ are entirely missing from the LotG but
every coaching class we have with clips direct from UEFA include
such coaching.
We’re told to always speak to coaches using Law-specific
language such as ‘reckless’ or ‘endangering safety’ etc and then
‘studs in the boot’ is almost always a mandatory yellow, yet
none of that guidance is publicly available (at least I’ve never
been able to find it).
Webb (and likely Collum) seem to want to have a more open
relationship with media/football and a less ‘closed-group’
attitude, so I can only hope these aspects will improve.
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