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#Post#: 5581--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 3, 2019, 10:10 am
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--- Quote from: Fengunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=598.msg5451#msg5451
date=1551264523]
> I personally think that Mike Dean will aim for 500 PL games
before stepping down, which will presumably mean that he will
carry on for one more season after this one (at least). I think
its 473 or 474 at the moment.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Mike Dean isn't fit enough now so he shouldn't be going on
another year.
Same goes for John Moss and Martin Atkinson. They just don't
have the stamina. It's probably not their fault but the lack of
a decent training regime!
[/quote]
The fitness test results that he will have passed twice so far
this season would disagree with you.
#Post#: 5582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: RCG
Date: March 3, 2019, 10:40 am
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I don't think their stamina is in any doubt. Atkinson has
definitely lost a yard of pace and Moss has always struggled for
a decent top speed run. Mike Dean still seems to get around
quite fluidly
#Post#: 5597--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: March 3, 2019, 5:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Fengunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=598.msg5451#msg5451
date=1551264523]
> I personally think that Mike Dean will aim for 500 PL games
before stepping down, which will presumably mean that he will
carry on for one more season after this one (at least). I think
its 473 or 474 at the moment.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Mike Dean isn't fit enough now so he shouldn't be going on
another year.
Same goes for John Moss and Martin Atkinson. They just don't
have the stamina. It's probably not their fault but the lack of
a decent training regime!
[/quote]
What absolute drivel. 😡
Mike Dean at the age of 50 still can get around the pitch with
ease. If you are questioning their fitness regime I suggest you
have a look at the sky sports programme Carragher and Neville
did at the referees training facility and watch for yourself.
#Post#: 5602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: March 4, 2019, 6:45 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=598.msg5511#msg5511
date=1551517851]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=598.msg5509#msg5509
date=1551476475]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=598.msg5508#msg5508
date=1551475131]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=598.msg5507#msg5507
date=1551473857]
> [quote author=magpie1892 link=topic=598.msg5503#msg5503
date=1551470538]
> I'm presuming SG2 will act as VAR as I know a ref who knows a
SG2 ref and he is doing training for it
>
--- End Quote ---
About time!
It certainly seems sensible to extend the training to cover SG2
considering some of them will be presumably promoted to SG1
eventually and a wider pool of VARs might be needed - it's quite
possible too that in the Football League there are some
officials who don't quite have the fitness/man management skills
to officiate in the Premier League but would make excellent
VARs.
I find it very strange that SG2 referees haven't been used at
all in the VAR trials so far, especially when someone like Andy
Madley refereed at Stamford Bridge - there will be 10 games
played simultaneously on the final day of next season so they
are going to need 20 officials to referee a game with VAR or be
a VAR for that day certainly.
[/quote]
Why this obsession that VAR officials come from the same pool of
often inadequate match officials used on the field ?
[/quote]
Because everyone is a better ref when they are watching on the
TV. I know this for fact because my twitter feed tells me so,
every single matchday...
[/quote]
Serious point. It is inconceivable that the very best decision
makers with use of technology are the very same people who have
to combine their decision making with stringent fitness
capabilities and inter-personal skills. We don't need "been
there, done it" officials who can empathize with referees and
understand why they've got it wrong; we need people who are
excellent in making the correct decision from the technology
evidence available.
[/quote]
The important thing is it has to be people with a good knowledge
of the LOTG, this is why referees/ex referees will always be the
first and probably only point of call. Daddy bmb played
professionally for many years, coached & managed in the top
flight & acted as a match day delegate in the PL before retiring
and putting his feet up - his knowledge of the LOTG is
reasonable but he would never fall into the category of "people
who are excellent in making the correct decision from the
technology evidence available". You could put ex-players
through a referee course (the theoretic side if not the
practical side) to bring their knowledge of the LOTG up to
scratch but there is nothing to suggest they would then develop
the skills needed to make the correct decisions because their
match day skill sets are completely different and they would
have to change their whole mindset from thinking like a player
to judging decisions on whether or not they are correct within
the LOTG as opposed to the 'the decision is wrong because it was
given against my team mindset' they will have likely had in
their playing career. You only have to listen to the ex-player
pundits to see the typical knowledge of the LOTG - it varies
from reasonable to absolutely shocking. I don't think it
necessarily needs to be an ex top flight referee, referees
further down the ladder apply those same LOTG week in week out.
Who else but referees has the required knowledge of the LOTG to
make the decisions?
[/quote]
But Nemesis was making the point that VARs don't need to be fit
nor do they need to be able to talk to players. It is a
different skill set. There is no reason to insist on them being
current National List officials. Those people are on that list
are there because they are the best available at what they do so
let's not dilute that quality by making them sit behind a video
screen once a fortnight or however often it may be. There are
plenty of older ex-referees who might want to be involved but
can no longer meet the fitness requirements, who should be
considered for example.
#Post#: 5604--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: March 4, 2019, 6:53 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=598.msg5517#msg5517
date=1551524825]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=598.msg5511#msg5511
date=1551517851]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=598.msg5509#msg5509
date=1551476475]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=598.msg5508#msg5508
date=1551475131]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=598.msg5507#msg5507
date=1551473857]
> [quote author=magpie1892 link=topic=598.msg5503#msg5503
date=1551470538]
> I'm presuming SG2 will act as VAR as I know a ref who knows a
SG2 ref and he is doing training for it
>
--- End Quote ---
About time!
It certainly seems sensible to extend the training to cover SG2
considering some of them will be presumably promoted to SG1
eventually and a wider pool of VARs might be needed - it's quite
possible too that in the Football League there are some
officials who don't quite have the fitness/man management skills
to officiate in the Premier League but would make excellent
VARs.
I find it very strange that SG2 referees haven't been used at
all in the VAR trials so far, especially when someone like Andy
Madley refereed at Stamford Bridge - there will be 10 games
played simultaneously on the final day of next season so they
are going to need 20 officials to referee a game with VAR or be
a VAR for that day certainly.
[/quote]
Why this obsession that VAR officials come from the same pool of
often inadequate match officials used on the field ?
[/quote]
Because everyone is a better ref when they are watching on the
TV. I know this for fact because my twitter feed tells me so,
every single matchday...
[/quote]
Serious point. It is inconceivable that the very best decision
makers with use of technology are the very same people who have
to combine their decision making with stringent fitness
capabilities and inter-personal skills. We don't need "been
there, done it" officials who can empathize with referees and
understand why they've got it wrong; we need people who are
excellent in making the correct decision from the technology
evidence available.
[/quote]
The important thing is it has to be people with a good knowledge
of the LOTG, this is why referees/ex referees will always be the
first and probably only point of call. Daddy bmb played
professionally for many years, coached & managed in the top
flight & acted as a match day delegate in the PL before retiring
and putting his feet up - his knowledge of the LOTG is
reasonable but he would never fall into the category of "people
who are excellent in making the correct decision from the
technology evidence available". You could put ex-players
through a referee course (the theoretic side if not the
practical side) to bring their knowledge of the LOTG up to
scratch but there is nothing to suggest they would then develop
the skills needed to make the correct decisions because their
match day skill sets are completely different and they would
have to change their whole mindset from thinking like a player
to judging decisions on whether or not they are correct within
the LOTG as opposed to the 'the decision is wrong because it was
given against my team mindset' they will have likely had in
their playing career. You only have to listen to the ex-player
pundits to see the typical knowledge of the LOTG - it varies
from reasonable to absolutely shocking. I don't think it
necessarily needs to be an ex top flight referee, referees
further down the ladder apply those same LOTG week in week out.
Who else but referees has the required knowledge of the LOTG to
make the decisions?
[/quote]
But Nemesis was making the point that VARs don't need to be fit
nor do they need to be able to talk to players. It is a
different skill set. There is no reason to insist on them being
current National List officials. Those people are on that list
are there because they are the best available at what they do so
let's not dilute that quality by making them sit behind a video
screen once a fortnight or however often it may be. There are
plenty of older ex-referees who might want to be involved but
can no longer meet the fitness requirements, who should be
considered for example.
[/quote]
They don't necessarily need to be of a high standard of
official, as long as they are able to interpret what is shown on
the screen against the Laws and provide the on-field official
with guidance to make the/an ultimate decision, that should be
sufficient.
#Post#: 5619--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: March 4, 2019, 10:50 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> I’ve been told Adcock has called in quits due to inability to
recover from injuries.
> Shame as was a talented ref who would have made it to the prem
- no doubt!
>
> Think Collins might retire as well as he has had a lot of
injuries and isn’t getting any younger. Plus the likes of
ilderton and Clark who are also injured more often than not!
>
> I’d get rid of east and promote jones and Madley. Toner,
Whitestone and Salisbury jnr should get promote to sg2.
>
--- End Quote ---
Great news, James Adcock is back in action as 4O at two games in
the coming week :)
#Post#: 5624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: Hendo
Date: March 4, 2019, 11:03 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=598.msg5443#msg5443
date=1551220224]
> I’ve been told Adcock has called in quits due to inability to
recover from injuries.
> Shame as was a talented ref who would have made it to the prem
- no doubt!
>
> Think Collins might retire as well as he has had a lot of
injuries and isn’t getting any younger. Plus the likes of
ilderton and Clark who are also injured more often than not!
>
> I’d get rid of east and promote jones and Madley. Toner,
Whitestone and Salisbury jnr should get promote to sg2.
>
--- End Quote ---
Which flies totally in the face of the poster who “had it on
good authority” recently that Adcock had called it a day.
Why do folk continue to put such posts on, passing themselves
off as someone with insider information, when all they do is
make themselves look daft?
Great news, James Adcock is back in action as 4O at two games in
the coming week :)
[/quote]
#Post#: 5649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: flipmode
Date: March 4, 2019, 8:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Fengunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=598.msg5451#msg5451
date=1551264523]
> I personally think that Mike Dean will aim for 500 PL games
before stepping down, which will presumably mean that he will
carry on for one more season after this one (at least). I think
its 473 or 474 at the moment.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Mike Dean isn't fit enough now so he shouldn't be going on
another year.
Same goes for John Moss and Martin Atkinson. They just don't
have the stamina. It's probably not their fault but the lack of
a decent training regime!
[/quote]
Mike Dean still glides round the pitch like a Gazelle. He's got
plenty left in that proverbial tank of his, imo.
#Post#: 5791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: March 10, 2019, 6:46 am
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I definitely think Peter Bankes must be up there in
consideration given his recent appointments. 2 top derby matches
and then a really important fixture in the League 1 promotion
race. He may not have been at his best in the east Anglian derby
but I was incredibly impressed with how he handled the Sheffield
derby!
#Post#: 5838--------------------------------------------------
Re: Promotions/Retirements
DIR By: Welshexref
Date: March 11, 2019, 4:47 am
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Although like a few people on here I'd never been particularly
impressed with Tim Robinson, the last 3 games I've seen him
referee including yesterday's midlands derby have all been
fairly high profile and I think he's handled them all extremely
well. Sure, he didn't get every decision right but I reckon,
given that he was (according to a post on this site) apparently
interviewed for SG1 last season then he must be very much in the
mix this time round. It may well depend on how many (if any)
retirements there are in SG1.
I wouldn't rank him ahead of Jones or Madely but he could be
third in line.
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