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Laws question
DIR By: Jake the Peg
Date: April 28, 2024, 11:10 am
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If subs run onto the field during the game to celebrate a goal
should they be booked?
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: Deanspen
Date: April 28, 2024, 11:23 am
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If they enter the field of play without the referee’s permission
I think the answer in my opinion is “yes”.
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: ARF
Date: April 28, 2024, 11:33 am
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In law, yes, if they have entered the FoP without permission
then it is a cautionable offence. However these days it appears
to have become another part of law more honoured in the breach
than the observance, particularly when it frequently involves
several of the substitutes running on. I can see why "football
would not expect" multiple cautions being dished out for a
relatively inconsequential offence such as this, as much as I
can also see the "football expects" philosophy being the thin
end of the wedge for yet more tinkering with the laws, as well
as further deterioration in participants' behaviour.
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 28, 2024, 1:28 pm
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As ARF notes, they "could" be cautioned; but rarely are. It
would also appear that the technical area marking are less a
boundary more a starting point for some coaches / managers.
Back in the olden days before such markings were thought of, the
patrol path of the Linesman and the risk of a size ten Lino's
boot on your foot acted as a perfectly acceptable deterrent to
wandering coaching type people!
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: Claretman
Date: April 28, 2024, 1:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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> As ARF notes, they "could" be cautioned; but rarely are. It
would also appear that the technical area marking are less a
boundary more a starting point for some coaches / managers.
>
> Back in the olden days before such markings were thought of,
the patrol path of the Linesman and the risk of a size ten
Lino's boot on your foot acted as a perfectly acceptable
deterrent to wandering coaching type people!
>
--- End Quote ---
Or the time they were not allowed off their benches or leave
their kennels, in fact many banged their heads trying to stand
up
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: nemesis
Date: April 28, 2024, 3:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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> As ARF notes, they "could" be cautioned; but rarely are. It
would also appear that the technical area marking are less a
boundary more a starting point for some coaches / managers.
>
> Back in the olden days before such markings were thought of,
the patrol path of the Linesman and the risk of a size ten
Lino's boot on your foot acted as a perfectly acceptable
deterrent to wandering coaching type people!
>
--- End Quote ---
Conor Chaplin, although not a substitute but a substituted
player, was cautioned when he ran on to join in the celebrations
for Ipswich's stoppage time winner against Southampton recently.
The celebrations were near the furthest corner flag from the dug
out but he did sprint round the edge of the pitch rather than
straight across. I don't think he cared !
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: April 29, 2024, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
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> [quote author=Leggy link=topic=5964.msg79088#msg79088
date=1714328906]
> As ARF notes, they "could" be cautioned; but rarely are. It
would also appear that the technical area marking are less a
boundary more a starting point for some coaches / managers.
>
> Back in the olden days before such markings were thought of,
the patrol path of the Linesman and the risk of a size ten
Lino's boot on your foot acted as a perfectly acceptable
deterrent to wandering coaching type people!
>
--- End Quote ---
Conor Chaplin, although not a substitute but a substituted
player, was cautioned when he ran on to join in the celebrations
for Ipswich's stoppage time winner against Southampton recently.
The celebrations were near the furthest corner flag from the dug
out but he did sprint round the edge of the pitch rather than
straight across. I don't think he cared !
[/quote]
This is a good example. If you've someone who has clearly
pushed well beyond what is expected, or whose actions are
uniquely liberal/'pushing it' then a caution is no doubt fine.
As others have noted, this is just part of the games now and has
been for quite some time. It's a bit like 'mobbing' and 'mass
confrontations' you can caution one or two from each team, but
once it goes beyond a level, then either report it after the
game, or simply leave it the league/competition authorities to
decide what to do.
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Re: Laws question
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: April 29, 2024, 8:18 am
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--- Quote from: Deanspen link ---
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> If they enter the field of play without the referee’s
permission I think the answer in my opinion is “yes”.
>
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But if a player leaves the FOP to celebrate a goal the Laws
specifically say they shouldn't be cautioned which is a bit of
an anomaly.
I have twice asked referees to caution a substitute for entering
the FOP to celebrate a goal when on AR duty. On both occasions
the substitute reached the far touchline.
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