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Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: nemesis
Date: April 22, 2024, 7:18 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> There has to be very serious action taken against Forest here,
they have borderline accused both the match officials and PGMOL
of corruption. This could have very serious implications on
Stuart Attwell's reputation and cannot be left to go unchecked
or unchallenged.
>
> This was also put out straight after the game, and doesn't
feel like a tweet a junior social media administrator would be
allowed to post, rather feels like this would have been approved
at the very highest level of the club. Almost as though they
had it lined up before the game was even played in case there
were any controversial decisions go against them.
>
--- End Quote ---
In all walks of life we see, almost daily, people in responsible
positions and positions of authority displaying an appalling
lack of integrity. Members of Parliament, police officers,
police chiefs, senior civil servants, members of the Royal
family, heads of the Post Office, regulatory bodies, Heads of
State, Presidents have all been found wanting on the integrity
front. Why is it asserted so forcefully that no match official
could possibly slip from the high standards set by the
overwhelming majority and on occasion let a marginal decision go
the way he would like it to?
That is a general observation and in no way a specific comment
on any of the decisions made yesterday.
Having said that, if Attwell is "disqualified" from doing Luton
matches due to an affinity with the club, there is no way he
should have been on that game. It wasn't fair on him.
#Post#: 78746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: April 22, 2024, 10:34 am
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Who owns Nottingham Forest, ah yes, the same chap who owns
Olympiacos.
Who hired Mark Clattenberg, ah yes, the man who owns Olympiacos.
All seems a big turn around from a couple of years ago.
HTML https://www.olympiacos.org/en/2020/09/01/olympiacos-fc-press-release-2/
#Post#: 78753--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 22, 2024, 11:09 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=voice link=topic=5932.msg78721#msg78721
date=1713783045]
> I see from the appointments page this was originally Chris
Kavanagh's match and Taylor only got it a few days beforehand.Do
we know why?
>
> Amazed at the Attwell Luton link- those years ago when he
'awarded' the phatom goal he was on the wrong end of a horrible
media witch hunt and cannot believe if it was true it wasn't
mentioned then, as the goal was against Watford- Luton's big
rivals
>
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At that time Luton were in League Two and on their way to the
Blue Square League. Nothing that happened in that Watford game
could have affected Luton in the slightest so no jeopardy in
that one.
[/quote]
Like that little fact would prevent the media with their
vitriol!
#Post#: 78754--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 22, 2024, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5932.msg78672#msg78672
date=1713728281]
> There has to be very serious action taken against Forest here,
they have borderline accused both the match officials and PGMOL
of corruption. This could have very serious implications on
Stuart Attwell's reputation and cannot be left to go unchecked
or unchallenged.
>
> This was also put out straight after the game, and doesn't
feel like a tweet a junior social media administrator would be
allowed to post, rather feels like this would have been approved
at the very highest level of the club. Almost as though they
had it lined up before the game was even played in case there
were any controversial decisions go against them.
>
--- End Quote ---
In all walks of life we see, almost daily, people in responsible
positions and positions of authority displaying an appalling
lack of integrity. Members of Parliament, police officers,
police chiefs, senior civil servants, members of the Royal
family, heads of the Post Office, regulatory bodies, Heads of
State, Presidents have all been found wanting on the integrity
front. Why is it asserted so forcefully that no match official
could possibly slip from the high standards set by the
overwhelming majority and on occasion let a marginal decision go
the way he would like it to?
That is a general observation and in no way a specific comment
on any of the decisions made yesterday.
Having said that, if Attwell is "disqualified" from doing Luton
matches due to an affinity with the club, there is no way he
should have been on that game. It wasn't fair on him.
[/quote]
And the key thing there is "all been found wanting on the
integrity front". If people in public office are caught with
their proverbial pants down they are of course called out for it
in the press, but there is absolutely no evidence that Attwell
has done anything at all wrong. As Simon Jordan said today, in
any industry other than football a tweet like that would almost
certainly lead to legal action being taken for libel.
#Post#: 78756--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 22, 2024, 11:26 am
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--- Quote from: Adam link ---
>
>
HTML https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1782382170331357486?t=HtiTB6-kxDH4AUn5MnmnnQ&s=19
>
> Appropriate words cannot describe what a set of clowns the
people in charge of PR in this club are, include Clattenburg in
that.
>
--- End Quote ---
The BBC article
HTML https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/clw0g501q0xo
#Post#: 78760--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: DBLTFC
Date: April 22, 2024, 1:18 pm
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Attwell is down to referee Wolves in midweek. Luton’s opponents
on Saturday.
Couple of reds wouldn’t go amiss Stu mate… you know it makes
sense.
*this is a joke before anyone moans! I suspect a change could be
in the offing.
#Post#: 78768--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: TVOS
Date: April 22, 2024, 2:34 pm
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VAR recording released:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0bYx6orZ0
#Post#: 78773--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: robbieg
Date: April 22, 2024, 2:52 pm
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As a mere fan but one in his mid sixties who has followed
football since 1965 the first point I want to make is that I
have no interest whether or not Taylor/Attwell are 100 % right
or 100% wrong but with the question of integrity I remember
reading possibly fifty odd years ago an article written by
someone who I assume was an active or retired referee at the
time that the day a referee allows his integrity to be bought by
whatever means would be the day that football itself dies.With
this in mind I cannot believe any referee would put themselves
into such a place.
Secondly............and on a non football perspective I can
always remember in test cricket the country hosting would also
provide the umpires and like in football there must have been
some shockingly bad decisions made against a touring side
however no-one ever remotely thought of any form of bias or
whatever..........
Finally this fella from Forest has a history of throwing his
weight around regarding referees whenever it affects his side.
#Post#: 78784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: Claretman
Date: April 22, 2024, 4:46 pm
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
>
> As a mere fan but one in his mid sixties who has followed
football since 1965 the first point I want to make is that I
have no interest whether or not Taylor/Attwell are 100 % right
or 100% wrong but with the question of integrity I remember
reading possibly fifty odd years ago an article written by
someone who I assume was an active or retired referee at the
time that the day a referee allows his integrity to be bought by
whatever means would be the day that football itself dies.With
this in mind I cannot believe any referee would put themselves
into such a place.
>
> Secondly............and on a non football perspective I can
always remember in test cricket the country hosting would also
provide the umpires and like in football there must have been
some shockingly bad decisions made against a touring side
however no-one ever remotely thought of any form of bias or
whatever..........
>
> Finally this fella from Forest has a history of throwing his
weight around regarding referees whenever it affects his side.
>
--- End Quote ---
Good post but i think you might be slightly wrong about cricket
ask Mr Gatting about Shakoor Rana in Pakistan. Sadly perceived
poor decisions by home umpires in certain countries was the
reason the ICC brought in neutral umpires for test cricket.
#Post#: 78788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Everton v Nottingham Forest: Anthony Taylor
DIR By: nemesis
Date: April 22, 2024, 5:30 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=5932.msg78725#msg78725
date=1713788290]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5932.msg78672#msg78672
date=1713728281]
> There has to be very serious action taken against Forest here,
they have borderline accused both the match officials and PGMOL
of corruption. This could have very serious implications on
Stuart Attwell's reputation and cannot be left to go unchecked
or unchallenged.
>
> This was also put out straight after the game, and doesn't
feel like a tweet a junior social media administrator would be
allowed to post, rather feels like this would have been approved
at the very highest level of the club. Almost as though they
had it lined up before the game was even played in case there
were any controversial decisions go against them.
>
--- End Quote ---
In all walks of life we see, almost daily, people in responsible
positions and positions of authority displaying an appalling
lack of integrity. Members of Parliament, police officers,
police chiefs, senior civil servants, members of the Royal
family, heads of the Post Office, regulatory bodies, Heads of
State, Presidents have all been found wanting on the integrity
front. Why is it asserted so forcefully that no match official
could possibly slip from the high standards set by the
overwhelming majority and on occasion let a marginal decision go
the way he would like it to?
That is a general observation and in no way a specific comment
on any of the decisions made yesterday.
Having said that, if Attwell is "disqualified" from doing Luton
matches due to an affinity with the club, there is no way he
should have been on that game. It wasn't fair on him.
[/quote]
And the key thing there is "all been found wanting on the
integrity front". If people in public office are caught with
their proverbial pants down they are of course called out for it
in the press, but there is absolutely no evidence that Attwell
has done anything at all wrong. As Simon Jordan said today, in
any industry other than football a tweet like that would almost
certainly lead to legal action being taken for libel.
[/quote]
I would suggest empirical evidence points to him having done
something wrong and having performed poorly in his role on the
day. However there is a big difference between being wrong and
lacking integrity or honesty.
My observation above was in response to the numerous outraged
comments that say you can't question a referee's integrity.
Almost as if referees are some superior breed not able to
succumb to temptation and misconduct.
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