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Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: ChippenhamCherry
Date: April 13, 2024, 4:38 pm
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Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it consistent
but all in one direction.
Not a single booking for Man Utd. They committed more fouls in
the game.
Christie booked for diving, Mainoo's dive ignored. Cook and Neto
booked for dissent. Fernandes in his face all game, not booked.
Not even a booking for Kambwala for the foul that lead to the
overturned penalty (sidenote: since his arms wrapped around
Christie, was it not a holding offence that started outside the
box and continued into the box and therefore should have
remained a penalty?) at the end, even though that was textbook
stopping a promising attack.
He was poor with the the little stuff too. E.g. Unal penalised
for a light push. Two minutes later he's pushed to the ground,
play on, Utd nearly score. That's what lead to Neto's
understandable dissent.
As for the Man Utd penalty, it's the very definition of a big
club penalty. There's no way a small club is getting that in
their favour at Old Trafford.
There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the big
clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't compute
that the game might actually be going in the other direction
than the one they prepped for, that the big club might be
struggling, that the big club might be committing as many
indiscretions as the little one. Tony Harrington very much fell
into that category.
#Post#: 78235--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: Tim Wills
Date: April 13, 2024, 6:10 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> Hopefully it will be another 2 years or preferably more before
he referees us again. That will be my only comment.
>
--- End Quote ---
Some people are quite close to being banned, mentioning no
names.
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Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 13, 2024, 6:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Tim Wills link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=5903.msg78214#msg78214
date=1713033568]
> Hopefully it will be another 2 years or preferably more before
he referees us again. That will be my only comment.
>
--- End Quote ---
Some people are quite close to being banned, mentioning no
names.
[/quote]
As I control the ban button I won’t be one of them!
#Post#: 78237--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 13, 2024, 6:41 pm
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--- Quote from: ChippenhamCherry link ---
>
> Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it
consistent but all in one direction.
> Not a single booking for Man Utd. They committed more fouls in
the game.
> Christie booked for diving, Mainoo's dive ignored. Cook and
Neto booked for dissent. Fernandes in his face all game, not
booked.
> Not even a booking for Kambwala for the foul that lead to the
overturned penalty (sidenote: since his arms wrapped around
Christie, was it not a holding offence that started outside the
box and continued into the box and therefore should have
remained a penalty?) at the end, even though that was textbook
stopping a promising attack.
> He was poor with the the little stuff too. E.g. Unal penalised
for a light push. Two minutes later he's pushed to the ground,
play on, Utd nearly score. That's what lead to Neto's
understandable dissent.
> As for the Man Utd penalty, it's the very definition of a big
club penalty. There's no way a small club is getting that in
their favour at Old Trafford.
> There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the
big clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't
compute that the game might actually be going in the other
direction than the one they prepped for, that the big club might
be struggling, that the big club might be committing as many
indiscretions as the little one. Tony Harrington very much fell
into that category.
>
--- End Quote ---
This.
However whilst Neto’s dissent was understandable I still didn’t
like to see it. We’re normally better than that.
Very unusual for the anti ref songs to be sung loudly and
continuously at Dean Court. Can’t remember the last time I heard
them. We have one of the most placid crowds going.
#Post#: 78238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 13, 2024, 7:16 pm
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Hold on. Last week everybody was shouting for the Liverpool
penalty because the United player didn't appeal against it.
Exactly the same with the penalty today. He clearly moved his
arm towards the ball.
Then we have some other poor decisions: Dalot defensive foul
where the attacking player starts off by grabbing hold of and
continuing to hold his shirt. Wan-Bissaka clean tackle given the
other way. Free kick against United on their corner for holding
- was the ball actually in play and would he have given a
penalty if the holding was the other way (not that we saw any
holding on the replay)?
#Post#: 78239--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 13, 2024, 7:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Tim Wills link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=5903.msg78214#msg78214
date=1713033568]
> Hopefully it will be another 2 years or preferably more before
he referees us again. That will be my only comment.
>
--- End Quote ---
Some people are quite close to being banned, mentioning no
names.
[/quote]
Mainoo's wasn't a dive. He slipped on that ridiculous wet
surface and didn't claim a penalty.
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Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 14, 2024, 4:45 am
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A tale of two penalties ....
First one is a daft decision but - given the nonsense wording of
the Law surrounding handball these days - one that can be
defended.
Second one depends on whether the foul was a "single contact" or
"ongoing contact". If it was given for a "single contact" (i.e.
a trip), then that took place marginally outside the penalty
area and the VAR intervention was correct. If it was given for
"ongoing contact" (i.e. holding a player over a distance as both
moved towards goal) then it can be argued that the ongoing
contact started outside the penalty area and ended inside the
penalty area. One can only assume that - in his conversation
with the VAR - Mr. Harrington advised that it was for the
former.
#Post#: 78245--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: Boggle
Date: April 14, 2024, 5:01 am
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I suspect the penalty at the end may be one we see on a segment
with Howard Webb under the hard hitting questioning of Michael
Owen.
The conversation between Harrington and Gillett will be
interesting listening if released. Hopefully the position of the
foul and whether it continues into the box were all addressed.
Watching on TV, I was amazed it was overturned given past
decisions and I’d concur with the thoughts of some other posters
that I’m not sure that the same outcome would have been reached
at the other end.
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Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: April 14, 2024, 5:29 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=ChippenhamCherry
link=topic=5903.msg78230#msg78230 date=1713044304]
> Woefully inconsistent. Or I suppose you could call it
consistent but all in one direction.
> Not a single booking for Man Utd. They committed more fouls in
the game.
> Christie booked for diving, Mainoo's dive ignored. Cook and
Neto booked for dissent. Fernandes in his face all game, not
booked.
> Not even a booking for Kambwala for the foul that lead to the
overturned penalty (sidenote: since his arms wrapped around
Christie, was it not a holding offence that started outside the
box and continued into the box and therefore should have
remained a penalty?) at the end, even though that was textbook
stopping a promising attack.
> He was poor with the the little stuff too. E.g. Unal penalised
for a light push. Two minutes later he's pushed to the ground,
play on, Utd nearly score. That's what lead to Neto's
understandable dissent.
> As for the Man Utd penalty, it's the very definition of a big
club penalty. There's no way a small club is getting that in
their favour at Old Trafford.
> There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the
big clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't
compute that the game might actually be going in the other
direction than the one they prepped for, that the big club might
be struggling, that the big club might be committing as many
indiscretions as the little one. Tony Harrington very much fell
into that category.
>
--- End Quote ---
This.
However whilst Neto’s dissent was understandable I still didn’t
like to see it. We’re normally better than that.
Very unusual for the anti ref songs to be sung loudly and
continuously at Dean Court. Can’t remember the last time I heard
them. We have one of the most placid crowds going.
[/quote]
Thanks to Chippenhamcherry and bmb for the detailed review of
what sounds like a poor day out for Mr. Harrington. I would be
interested in exploring one point further -
There's no way a small club is getting that in their favour at
Old Trafford.
There are Premier League referees capable of refereeing the big
clubs evenly with the little ones. But some just can't compute
that the game might actually be going in the other direction
than the one they prepped for, that the big club might be
struggling, that the big club might be committing as many
indiscretions as the little one
Now I know on here we cannot (quite rightly) accuse referees of
deliberate bias and I also know that is not what you are
implying here Chippenhamcherry but I wonder what is the cause.
Is it as you perhaps suggest a symptom of over preparing for a
game to the point of prejudging the 'script' so to speak? So far
that subconsciously the referee is expecting the game to go one
way.
Or is it the case that it is not a real affect and that we
simply perceive it to be the case due to confirmation bias? I
believe there are statistics to show that 'bigger' teams playing
at home get more favorable decisions (this is skewed though as
home teams generally have more possession, more time in the
penalty area). I would be interested if there are any statistics
on top six clubs playing away from home.
However, and I am no statistician, but I wonder if something
like penalties per minute played in penalty area would be a more
accurate figure to look for than simply number of penalties
awarded for example.
#Post#: 78252--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bournemouth v Man Utd - T Harrington
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: April 14, 2024, 5:39 am
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I only seen the 2 major incidents in this game and I’m not sure
how that penalty was awarded to Man Utd for handball it
deflected off a Bournemouth player then hit Smith on the arm not
quite sure how he could move his arm out the way so no penalty
for me, also the overturned penalty for Bournemouth in the last
minute I feel shouldn’t of been overturned to me the contact
looked like it was on the line so there for a penalty should of
been awarded and not overturned
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