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J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: February 24, 2019, 1:07 pm
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Very impressed with Moss.. no dross today!
Got everything correct and excellent use of advantages.
Aside from the referees performance.. what an absolute shambles
in extra time when the Chelsea keeper refused to be substituted.
Oh dear oh dear.
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: BabyRef
Date: February 24, 2019, 1:43 pm
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Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have done
more during the substitution farce.
As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution
had been announced - at that point does the player not have to
leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?
I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have been
a bit more proactive
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 24, 2019, 1:59 pm
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Any observations on Hazard being flagged offside by Andy
Halliday towards the end of 90 minutes? It seemed erroneous and
against VAR protocol.
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: Boz
Date: February 24, 2019, 2:16 pm
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Query the foul (apparent elbow?) by Jorginho taking out Aguero
in the opening 30 seconds, no card from Mr Moss.
Thought the referee was ok generally, though most of the 50/50s
seemed to go Chelsea's way. The goalkeeper refusing to leave an
extraordinary situation, don't think any criticism can attract
to Mr Moss for that.
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 24, 2019, 2:28 pm
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--- Quote from: BabyRef link ---
>
> Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have
done more during the substitution farce.
>
> As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution
had been announced - at that point does the player not have to
leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?
>
> I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have
been a bit more proactive
>
--- End Quote ---
No, there's nothing in law to support that. You could
potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't
physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out.
In fact getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3
states …
[I]if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play
continues[/I]
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 24, 2019, 2:36 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=BabyRef link=topic=590.msg5307#msg5307
date=1551037426]
> Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have
done more during the substitution farce.
>
> As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution
had been announced - at that point does the player not have to
leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?
>
> I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have
been a bit more proactive
>
--- End Quote ---
No, there's nothing in law to support that. You could
potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't
physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out.
In that getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3
states …
[I]if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play
continues[/I]
[/quote]
What would you do if the manager insisted the sub should be made
when you went to speak to him?
Would you instruct the goalkeeper to complete the substitution
process and yellow card him if he refused, or simply consider
that the substitution wasn't taking place and continue the game
until the players/manager sorted it out themselves?
I wouldn't blame Moss for the incident. I thought he handled it
well by seemingly speaking to the keeper and the manager. I'm
not sure disciplinary action at that point would have helped the
situation.
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 24, 2019, 2:38 pm
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> Any observations on Hazard being flagged offside by Andy
Halliday towards the end of 90 minutes? It seemed erroneous and
against VAR protocol.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree that he should have delayed the flag - or at least Moss
should have delayed the whistle.
I think the protocol is for when there is an imminent chance of
scoring - some might argue that normally applies closer to goal
but I think common sense says that in that context it's best to
wait.
Other than that, thought Moss had a very good game - I think
he's had a pretty good season.
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 24, 2019, 2:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=590.msg5313#msg5313
date=1551040105]
> [quote author=BabyRef link=topic=590.msg5307#msg5307
date=1551037426]
> Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have
done more during the substitution farce.
>
> As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution
had been announced - at that point does the player not have to
leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?
>
> I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have
been a bit more proactive
>
--- End Quote ---
No, there's nothing in law to support that. You could
potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't
physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out.
In that getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3
states …
[I]if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play
continues[/I]
[/quote]
What would you do if the manager insisted the sub should be made
when you went to speak to him?
Would you instruct the goalkeeper to complete the substitution
process and yellow card him if he refused, or simply consider
that the substitution wasn't taking place and continue the game
until the players/manager sorted it out themselves?
I wouldn't blame Moss for the incident. I thought he handled it
well by seemingly speaking to the keeper and the manager. I'm
not sure disciplinary action at that point would have helped the
situation.
[/quote]
As per law, you restart play. The manager and keeper can then
sort it out between themselves and if the latter then sees sense
you can then allow the substitution to go ahead.
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 24, 2019, 4:08 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=590.msg5318#msg5318
date=1551040587]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=590.msg5313#msg5313
date=1551040105]
> [quote author=BabyRef link=topic=590.msg5307#msg5307
date=1551037426]
> Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have
done more during the substitution farce.
>
> As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution
had been announced - at that point does the player not have to
leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?
>
> I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have
been a bit more proactive
>
--- End Quote ---
No, there's nothing in law to support that. You could
potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't
physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out.
In that getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3
states …
[I]if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play
continues[/I]
[/quote]
What would you do if the manager insisted the sub should be made
when you went to speak to him?
Would you instruct the goalkeeper to complete the substitution
process and yellow card him if he refused, or simply consider
that the substitution wasn't taking place and continue the game
until the players/manager sorted it out themselves?
I wouldn't blame Moss for the incident. I thought he handled it
well by seemingly speaking to the keeper and the manager. I'm
not sure disciplinary action at that point would have helped the
situation.
[/quote]
As per law, you restart play. The manager and keeper can then
sort it out between themselves and if the latter then sees sense
you can then allow the substitution to go ahead.
[/quote]
What would you do if the manager repeatedly tried to make the
substitution at subsequent stoppages and the player kept
refusing to go off?!
Do you just ignore the substitution entirely or can any
disciplinary action be taken against a player/manager if it is
perceived as, for example, timewasting?
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Re: J MOSS - EFL final
DIR By: reflector
Date: February 25, 2019, 2:57 am
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I also thought Moss did well. Not usually a favourite of mine
by any means but credit where it's due. I don't see he could
have done anything different over the non substitution farce.
Any attempt to do so would have seemed heavy handed and made the
situation worse.
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