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#Post#: 74541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 21, 2024, 6:05 am
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VAR check all goals, but they can't check something that
happened before play was restarted and a goal scored.
I'm not sure it made that much of a difference anyway. Even
after the ball was moved Ryan Yates spotted a problem and told
the keeper who told him it was fine and did nothing about it,
Yates was clearly saying they needed another player in the wall.
As much very poor goalkeeping as it was poor sportsmanship.
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Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: ARF
Date: January 21, 2024, 6:12 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74535#msg74535
date=1705834972]
> Not reviewable by VAR.
>
--- End Quote ---
Edited#
[/quote]
While I agree in principle, the problem would be that it would
lead to longer delays after every goal while they have to go
back to check that the restart was 100% correct. For example:
forensic examination of whether part of the ball was overhanging
the corner arc when the corner was taken; was the ball moving by
the tiniest amount when the free kick was taken; should the free
kick have been two inches to the left and consequently did that
make a difference to whether the goal would have been scored;
was the thrower's foot touching the ground at the point of
delivery or was it a millimetre off?
A slippery slope, I fear.
#Post#: 74545--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: January 21, 2024, 6:58 am
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--- Quote from: ARF link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=5620.msg74537#msg74537
date=1705835449]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74535#msg74535
date=1705834972]
> Not reviewable by VAR.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's a shame. An act of cheating leading to a goal has to be
ignored?! Maybe it's time the protocols were extended.
[/quote]
While I agree in principle, the problem would be that it would
lead to longer delays after every goal while they have to go
back to check that the restart was 100% correct. For example:
forensic examination of whether part of the ball was overhanging
the corner arc when the corner was taken; was the ball moving by
the tiniest amount when the free kick was taken; should the free
kick have been two inches to the left and consequently did that
make a difference to whether the goal would have been scored;
was the thrower's foot touching the ground at the point of
delivery or was it a millimetre off?
A slippery slope, I fear.
[/quote]
All your points above are dealt with every week by officials
outside of the elite matches and are accepted or argued about by
players, managers etc. but they just get on with the game
without any forensic examination or outside interference from
anyone.
Players move the ball for set pieces, hardly ever retreat 10
yards for free kicks, take throw ins from anywhere within twenty
yards of where the ball went out and then often lift their
trailing foot, frequently place the ball outside the corner
quadrant if they are on the opposite side to the AR.
It appears to me that there is a culture throughout the game to
try to get away with anything and everything. Yes, we used to
try the odd thing when I was playing and I knew most of the
tricks when I officiated, however, it really does seem to be
taking over and VAR is not stopping anything at all.
#Post#: 74546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 21, 2024, 7:42 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74542#msg74542
date=1705839137]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=5620.msg74537#msg74537
date=1705835449]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74535#msg74535
date=1705834972]
> Not reviewable by VAR.
>
--- End Quote ---
(Edited)
[/quote]
While I agree in principle, the problem would be that it would
lead to longer delays after every goal while they have to go
back to check that the restart was 100% correct. For example:
forensic examination of whether part of the ball was overhanging
the corner arc when the corner was taken; was the ball moving by
the tiniest amount when the free kick was taken; should the free
kick have been two inches to the left and consequently did that
make a difference to whether the goal would have been scored;
was the thrower's foot touching the ground at the point of
delivery or was it a millimetre off?
A slippery slope, I fear.
[/quote]
I take your point, ARF, in general terms; however, in blatant,
clear situations as this, I feel VAR should be able to notify
the on-field Referee of what's happened so that appropriate
action can be taken. I appreciate that it's probably never going
to happen. (Edited)
[/quote]
Hypothetically i know If var were to advise the on field referee
and a retake was ordered there would be no chance of getting the
ball positioned correctly for a retake.
#Post#: 74547--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: guest308
Date: January 21, 2024, 8:49 am
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Polite reminder *
Any allegation of cheating is unacceptable on the forum and all
posts containing such allegations will be removed , please word
your posts carefully, many thanks .
#Post#: 74552--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: Seagull
Date: January 21, 2024, 9:16 am
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--- Quote from: charlieboy link ---
>
> Polite reminder *
> Any allegation of cheating is unacceptable on the forum and
all posts containing such allegations will be removed , please
word your posts carefully, many thanks .
>
--- End Quote ---
Point taken. I didn't know what else to call it in order to
describe exactly what it was, in my opinion. I could have said
"severe gamesmanship" but even that doesn't cut it. Polite
reminder accepted though.
#Post#: 74554--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: takethejag
Date: January 21, 2024, 10:16 am
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--- Quote from: charlieboy link ---
>
> Polite reminder *
> Any allegation of cheating is unacceptable on the forum and
all posts containing such allegations will be removed , please
word your posts carefully, many thanks .
>
--- End Quote ---
I understand the need to be careful in the use of language and
fully take on board your point, but on this occasion I thought
that admitting to 232 breaches could be described as 'cheating
the rules' and thus isn't an (unfounded) allegation, but merely
a description of what happened. I apologise if better words were
available. My original point which I stand by, is why was Toney
treated like a hero by Brentford and the media?
#Post#: 74594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: January 21, 2024, 6:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=5620.msg74544#msg74544
date=1705840714]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74542#msg74542
date=1705839137]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=5620.msg74537#msg74537
date=1705835449]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74535#msg74535
date=1705834972]
> Not reviewable by VAR.
>
--- End Quote ---
(Edited)
[/quote]
While I agree in principle, the problem would be that it would
lead to longer delays after every goal while they have to go
back to check that the restart was 100% correct. For example:
forensic examination of whether part of the ball was overhanging
the corner arc when the corner was taken; was the ball moving by
the tiniest amount when the free kick was taken; should the free
kick have been two inches to the left and consequently did that
make a difference to whether the goal would have been scored;
was the thrower's foot touching the ground at the point of
delivery or was it a millimetre off?
A slippery slope, I fear.
[/quote]
I take your point, ARF, in general terms; however, in blatant,
clear situations as this, I feel VAR should be able to notify
the on-field Referee of what's happened so that appropriate
action can be taken. I appreciate that it's probably never going
to happen. (Edited)
[/quote]
Hypothetically i know If var were to advise the on field referee
and a retake was ordered there would be no chance of getting the
ball positioned correctly for a retake.
[/quote]
They could do a freeze frame (which VAR is the expert in using)
like in the snooker when the referee has to re-place the balls.
VAR could be in his ear. Left a bit, right a bit....
#Post#: 74595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 21, 2024, 7:16 pm
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
> [quote author=Claretman link=topic=5620.msg74546#msg74546
date=1705844523]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=5620.msg74544#msg74544
date=1705840714]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74542#msg74542
date=1705839137]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=5620.msg74537#msg74537
date=1705835449]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=5620.msg74535#msg74535
date=1705834972]
> Not reviewable by VAR.
>
--- End Quote ---
(Edited)
[/quote]
While I agree in principle, the problem would be that it would
lead to longer delays after every goal while they have to go
back to check that the restart was 100% correct. For example:
forensic examination of whether part of the ball was overhanging
the corner arc when the corner was taken; was the ball moving by
the tiniest amount when the free kick was taken; should the free
kick have been two inches to the left and consequently did that
make a difference to whether the goal would have been scored;
was the thrower's foot touching the ground at the point of
delivery or was it a millimetre off?
A slippery slope, I fear.
[/quote]
I take your point, ARF, in general terms; however, in blatant,
clear situations as this, I feel VAR should be able to notify
the on-field Referee of what's happened so that appropriate
action can be taken. I appreciate that it's probably never going
to happen. (Edited)
[/quote]
Hypothetically i know If var were to advise the on field referee
and a retake was ordered there would be no chance of getting the
ball positioned correctly for a retake.
[/quote]
They could do a freeze frame (which VAR is the expert in using)
like in the snooker when the referee has to re-place the balls.
VAR could be in his ear. Left a bit, right a bit....
[/quote]
No no my left not your left!
#Post#: 74599--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren England: Brentford v Nottingham Forest
DIR By: dave26
Date: January 22, 2024, 2:56 am
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I also wondered why Toney was given a hero’s welcome , ok the
fans have missed him but the way he was introduced like a WWE
wrestler with all the strobe lightning etc was frankly
embarrassing
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