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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: Rory Stride
Date: January 13, 2024, 1:09 pm
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Wrong decision to not give a corner followed by two actions of
clear dissent again by Rodri. Then City score from the goal
kick.
Could argue both Cities goals shouldn't have happened with
correct decisions
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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: ajb95
Date: January 13, 2024, 1:30 pm
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Rodri could have gone for dissent or equally a poor challenge on
edge of Newcastle box. Kavanagh hasn’t been good today
unfortunately. He has reffed Newcastle a lot recently so don’t
want to use that as an excuse but maybe one big game too far
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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: Hendo
Date: January 13, 2024, 1:47 pm
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I get the feeling certain posters on here have a thing against
City and are looking for any excuses as to try and justify why
they were lucky - goals that came from failure to award free
kicks to Newcastle, Rodri should have been off, Walker should
have been booked etc.
All conveniently ignores the following 3 facts - for the 2nd
time City have lost a player through injury due to this silly
delayed flag nonsense (Stones the other); City had 73% of the
play and 27 shots to 12 so were very dominant; and in Kevin De
Bruyne they have an amazing talent who today was outstanding and
a joy to watch.
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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 13, 2024, 2:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Smithy link ---
>
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=5594.msg74211#msg74211
date=1705168031]
> And now the flag goes straight up for an equally obvious
offside! Clearly influenced by earlier.... good common sense but
needs to be done throughout.
>
--- End Quote ---
Until an assistant flags for what he believes to be an obvious
offside but gets it wrong and then you/everyone will be going
mad because he didn’t delay. We all know that will happen.
Whichever way they do it has benefits and the potential for
problems. They’ll get battered for doing it this way and they’ll
get battered when it goes wrong the other way too.
Although everyone thinks they have the answer I don’t think it’s
that clear.
[/quote]
As happened with Aston Villa V Man City last season where play
was stopped for an offside, a goal was scored and the replays
showed the Villa player was actually on.
I think it's very difficult to have a policy of 'You can't get
an offside decision wrong because we have VAR but obviously if
it's clearly offside we want you to put the flag up but you
can't get the offside wrong'. I think this is just the reality
really and I don't think the policy will really change. I heard
the semi-automated offside at the Club World Cup (I think?) was
sending a notification direct to the assistant if a player was
more than a certain margin offside so the assistant could flag
right away, although I don't know how things like whether a
defender deflected/deliberately played the ball etc would be
taken into account.
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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: ajb95
Date: January 13, 2024, 2:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> I get the feeling certain posters on here have a thing against
City and are looking for any excuses as to try and justify why
they were lucky - goals that came from failure to award free
kicks to Newcastle, Rodri should have been off, Walker should
have been booked etc.
> All conveniently ignores the following 3 facts - for the 2nd
time City have lost a player through injury due to this silly
delayed flag nonsense (Stones the other); City had 73% of the
play and 27 shots to 12 so were very dominant; and in Kevin De
Bruyne they have an amazing talent who today was outstanding and
a joy to watch.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just because they had more possession and more shots doesn’t
mean they deserved to win..
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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 13, 2024, 4:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> I get the feeling certain posters on here have a thing against
City and are looking for any excuses as to try and justify why
they were lucky - goals that came from failure to award free
kicks to Newcastle, Rodri should have been off, Walker should
have been booked etc.
> All conveniently ignores the following 3 facts - for the 2nd
time City have lost a player through injury due to this silly
delayed flag nonsense (Stones the other); City had 73% of the
play and 27 shots to 12 so were very dominant; and in Kevin De
Bruyne they have an amazing talent who today was outstanding and
a joy to watch.
>
--- End Quote ---
You could be right Hendo suggesting some have an agenda against
City but there were some questionable decisions to debate.
I missed part of the first half and only saw 1 replay at normal
speed at half time of City's first goal. It did strike me that
Gordon may have been fouled but without a close-up or slo-mo, I
couldn't say for sure. I don't know how much attention it was
given at the time. In the prevailing climate this season on
dissent, I did think Rodri was very fortunate. However, the
decision that puzzled me most was not to caution Burn for the
sort of challenge Silva was correctly carded for only a few
minutes later. On this occasion, while not to be condoned, I
could understand Pep's frustration and antics in front of the
4O.
After his recent good performances, imo it was not Chris
Kavanagh's best day at the office.
That said, this United supporter was pleased to see City win
because they deserved to with some brilliant football at times.
Newcastle had some great counter attacks and scored 2 excellent
goals in the first half but couldn't match City after half time.
A fascinating watch for neutrals I'd have thought.
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Re: Newcastle v Manchester City: Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: January 14, 2024, 3:05 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
>
> [quote author=Hendo link=topic=5594.msg74234#msg74234
date=1705175231]
> I get the feeling certain posters on here have a thing against
City and are looking for any excuses as to try and justify why
they were lucky - goals that came from failure to award free
kicks to Newcastle, Rodri should have been off, Walker should
have been booked etc.
> All conveniently ignores the following 3 facts - for the 2nd
time City have lost a player through injury due to this silly
delayed flag nonsense (Stones the other); City had 73% of the
play and 27 shots to 12 so were very dominant; and in Kevin De
Bruyne they have an amazing talent who today was outstanding and
a joy to watch.
>
--- End Quote ---
You could be right Hendo suggesting some have an agenda against
City but there were some questionable decisions to debate.
I missed part of the first half and only saw 1 replay at normal
speed at half time of City's first goal. It did strike me that
Gordon may have been fouled but without a close-up or slo-mo, I
couldn't say for sure. I don't know how much attention it was
given at the time. In the prevailing climate this season on
dissent, I did think Rodri was very fortunate. However, the
decision that puzzled me most was not to caution Burn for the
sort of challenge Silva was correctly carded for only a few
minutes later. On this occasion, while not to be condoned, I
could understand Pep's frustration and antics in front of the
4O.
After his recent good performances, imo it was not Chris
Kavanagh's best day at the office.
That said, this United supporter was pleased to see City win
because they deserved to with some brilliant football at times.
Newcastle had some great counter attacks and scored 2 excellent
goals in the first half but couldn't match City after half time.
A fascinating watch for neutrals I'd have thought.
[/quote]
A balanced account. Having looked back at the Dias / Gordon
incident before City's first goal it seemed to me that Dias got
ahead of Gordon in the chase for the ball and whilst Dias made
himself bigger by spreading his arms it was Gordon who put his
arm over Dias' shoulder and tripped Dias that caused them both
to fall. There was a foul on Rodri prior to him getting a
yellow card - it was in my view a yellow card offence as a late
challenge landed firmly on Rodri's foot. The advantage was
played, which was OK, but I said at the time that Kavanagh
should go back and issue a caution when there was a break in
play. Play stopped when Rodri made an over robust challenge and
Rodri was booked but there was no follow up for the foul on
Rodri which was, to my eyes a rather more clear yellow card
offence. There were two other, to me, clear yellow card
challenges on Rodri that didn't get punished as they should. Of
course, as others have said, there were incidents where City got
away with things, and Rodri needs to control his temper as well
as he generally controls the game, but there are quite a number
of posters on here who only see injustices when they go in
City's favour.
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