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#Post#: 73917--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sam Barrott - Spurs vs. Burnley
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 8, 2024, 8:36 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> Talking on the telephone this weekend with an old university
friend and telling him about the extraordinary and wonderful new
Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, he reminded me of a time we, as
students, went together to the old White Hart Lane which I
realised was the last evening Spurs home match I had attended.
It was in the mid 1970s, probably either 1975 or 1976 and Spurs'
opponents were West Ham United. The ground was heaving. I can't
remember whether it was a League or Cup match ( a vague bell
says it might have been a replay ). Perhaps one of our stats.
sleuths can tell me. However, I do remember who the referee was.
That night it was Malcolm Sinclair ( Guildford ) and then nearly
fifty years later Sam Barrott whose only watchstrap on display
was worn on the wrist !
>
--- End Quote ---
Its strange how certain things stick in the memory, i remember
going to watch bolton v villa may 2007 at the then reebok
stadium, officials mark clattenburg, ar1 dave babski, ar2 jeremy
simpson, ended 2-2 also spoke with david platt who was on co
comms outside the ground prior to ko.
Also remember seeing scunthorpe beat leeds in a third round fa
cup second replay 4-2 at the old showground referee the late
George Tyson. Neil Aspin of Leeds got his marching orders in the
second half.
#Post#: 73920--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sam Barrett - Spurs vs. Burnley
DIR By: stig231
Date: January 8, 2024, 9:18 am
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--- Quote from: Rhys147 link ---
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> VAR was not brought in to re referee the game it was brought
in to get involved when the referee made an absolute howler. I
do think we have gone away from this as VAR analyses every
incident because of how much supporters complain where as they
should only get involved when absolutely necessary.
>
--- End Quote ---
On this, and I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong, the stat
I saw at the weekend was that there have been 55 times a referee
has been referred to the monitor in the Prem this this season
and 54 times they have changed their decision, with only
decision remaining unchanged.
Now to me, that definitely looks like re-refereeing the game as
I find it hard to believe there have been 54 absolute howlers of
the type VAR was originally bought in to correct.
That works out at just under 1 in every 4 games of the 198
played so far this season.
Edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
#Post#: 73945--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sam Barrett - Spurs vs. Burnley
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 8, 2024, 1:01 pm
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--- Quote from: stig231 link ---
>
> [quote author=Rhys147 link=topic=5562.msg73719#msg73719
date=1704488851]
> VAR was not brought in to re referee the game it was brought
in to get involved when the referee made an absolute howler. I
do think we have gone away from this as VAR analyses every
incident because of how much supporters complain where as they
should only get involved when absolutely necessary.
>
--- End Quote ---
On this, and I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong, the stat
I saw at the weekend was that there have been 55 times a referee
has been referred to the monitor in the Prem this this season
and 54 times they have changed their decision, with only
decision remaining unchanged.
Now to me, that definitely looks like re-refereeing the game as
I find it hard to believe there have been 54 absolute howlers of
the type VAR was originally bought in to correct.
That works out at just under 1 in every 4 games of the 198
played so far this season.
Edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
Mr England at Villa Park in the game with Crystal Palace, a game
changing decision too, think that was two weeks before the Spurs
v liverpool var shenanigans
#Post#: 73983--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sam Barrett - Spurs vs. Burnley
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 9, 2024, 1:14 am
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--- Quote from: stig231 link ---
>
> [quote author=Rhys147 link=topic=5562.msg73719#msg73719
date=1704488851]
> VAR was not brought in to re referee the game it was brought
in to get involved when the referee made an absolute howler. I
do think we have gone away from this as VAR analyses every
incident because of how much supporters complain where as they
should only get involved when absolutely necessary.
>
--- End Quote ---
On this, and I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong, the stat
I saw at the weekend was that there have been 55 times a referee
has been referred to the monitor in the Prem this this season
and 54 times they have changed their decision, with only
decision remaining unchanged.
Now to me, that definitely looks like re-refereeing the game as
I find it hard to believe there have been 54 absolute howlers of
the type VAR was originally bought in to correct.
That works out at just under 1 in every 4 games of the 198
played so far this season.
Edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
I think the early suggestions were there'd be a VAR intervention
around every 3 or 4 games on average so that seems about right
really.
As mentioned before, the figures up until mid December from the
judgements of Premier League's 'Independent Panel' thought that
only two of those interventions were errors by the VAR - and one
of those was the Arsenal V Man Utd game where Webb seemed to be
happy enough with Gillett's intervention and I think many on
here agreed with it too. And the one instance where Darren
England stuck with his decision in Villa V Palace game was
reportedly regarded as an error as panel thought England should
have gone with VAR advice and overturned penalty.
And indeed panel have logged many more errors where they thought
VAR should have intervened - at least 15 I think. These include
Man City V Fulham offside goal, Man Utd V Wolves penalty,
penalties given against Wolves to Newcastle and Sheffield
United, two red cards should have been shown in Newcastle V
Arsenal, Brentford should have had penalty at Nottingham
Forest... Maybe PL refereeing standards are just worse than
thought?
#Post#: 73999--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sam Barrett - Spurs vs. Burnley
DIR By: Smithy
Date: January 9, 2024, 5:21 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=stig231 link=topic=5562.msg73920#msg73920
date=1704727086]
> [quote author=Rhys147 link=topic=5562.msg73719#msg73719
date=1704488851]
> VAR was not brought in to re referee the game it was brought
in to get involved when the referee made an absolute howler. I
do think we have gone away from this as VAR analyses every
incident because of how much supporters complain where as they
should only get involved when absolutely necessary.
>
--- End Quote ---
On this, and I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong, the stat
I saw at the weekend was that there have been 55 times a referee
has been referred to the monitor in the Prem this this season
and 54 times they have changed their decision, with only
decision remaining unchanged.
Now to me, that definitely looks like re-refereeing the game as
I find it hard to believe there have been 54 absolute howlers of
the type VAR was originally bought in to correct.
That works out at just under 1 in every 4 games of the 198
played so far this season.
Edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
And indeed panel have logged many more errors where they thought
VAR should have intervened - at least 15 I think. These include
Man City V Fulham offside goal, Man Utd V Wolves penalty,
penalties given against Wolves to Newcastle and Sheffield
United, two red cards should have been shown in Newcastle V
Arsenal, Brentford should have had penalty at Nottingham
Forest... Maybe PL refereeing standards are just worse than
thought?
[/quote]
You do realise that this ‘panel’ is just a group of people
giving their opinion, just like everyone else. They’re not
stating facts. Why would it be considered standards are bad
because this group of people disagree with some things the
referees have or haven’t done? I don’t follow the logic here.
#Post#: 74012--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sam Barrett - Spurs vs. Burnley
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 9, 2024, 8:02 am
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--- Quote from: Smithy link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=5562.msg73983#msg73983
date=1704784456]
> [quote author=stig231 link=topic=5562.msg73920#msg73920
date=1704727086]
> [quote author=Rhys147 link=topic=5562.msg73719#msg73719
date=1704488851]
> VAR was not brought in to re referee the game it was brought
in to get involved when the referee made an absolute howler. I
do think we have gone away from this as VAR analyses every
incident because of how much supporters complain where as they
should only get involved when absolutely necessary.
>
--- End Quote ---
On this, and I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong, the stat
I saw at the weekend was that there have been 55 times a referee
has been referred to the monitor in the Prem this this season
and 54 times they have changed their decision, with only
decision remaining unchanged.
Now to me, that definitely looks like re-refereeing the game as
I find it hard to believe there have been 54 absolute howlers of
the type VAR was originally bought in to correct.
That works out at just under 1 in every 4 games of the 198
played so far this season.
Edited to fix quote thingamajigga, bmb
[/quote]
And indeed panel have logged many more errors where they thought
VAR should have intervened - at least 15 I think. These include
Man City V Fulham offside goal, Man Utd V Wolves penalty,
penalties given against Wolves to Newcastle and Sheffield
United, two red cards should have been shown in Newcastle V
Arsenal, Brentford should have had penalty at Nottingham
Forest... Maybe PL refereeing standards are just worse than
thought?
[/quote]
You do realise that this ‘panel’ is just a group of people
giving their opinion, just like everyone else. They’re not
stating facts. Why would it be considered standards are bad
because this group of people disagree with some things the
referees have or haven’t done? I don’t follow the logic here.
[/quote]
I think there has been a general consensus for most of the
situations mentioned that the wrong decision was made - maybe
some would disagree with the odd one but Webb has acknowledged
most of the decisions mentioned as errors, and that was the
widespread consensus on here and elsewhere.
I've not seen a single refereeing error (or indeed correct
decision!) for nearly 3 years as I've been blind so I am
generally quite detached on any one specific incident and a lot
of the time the views expressed on here and elsewhere very much
suggest a split opinion so I tend to presume the decision was
reasonable enough either way but there are some where there is a
very clear consensus such as the Man City V Fulham goal or Man
Utd V Wolves penalty.
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