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       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: MCPridz
       Date: December 28, 2023, 4:45 pm
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       --- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
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       > The answer is chip in the ball technology. The Premier league
       didn't want it and so we have moments like this. Correct
       decision I believe but Arsenal fans will be frustrated.
       Lightening does strike more than once!
       >
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       It wasn’t correct I could see the ball out with Bowen in the way
       there was no yellow on the lien so there for out
       #Post#: 73119--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: MCPridz
       Date: December 28, 2023, 4:46 pm
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       > Good no penalty by Oliver.Saka is looking for it
       >
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       Stonewall chelsea had one for the exact same thing last night
       inconsistency again
       #Post#: 73121--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: Claretman
       Date: December 28, 2023, 4:57 pm
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       --- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
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       > I usually say Michael Oliver is the best referee we have but
       tonight in our game he was very poor I thought, yes I get he had
       to give the first goal but it was out and you didn’t need to see
       the ball to see it was over the line you could see the line and
       the ere was no yellow on it, it was out so poor from Pawson on
       var there we should had 2 pens at least one for the foul on Saka
       as Chelsea virtually had a penalty for the same thing last night
       yet ours wasn’t given so poor there as well should of had one in
       the first half where ball had gone and Soucek went through on
       Jesus I think another poor decision, Oliver and Pawson wasn’t
       great West Ham’s penalty was stonewall there no complaints on
       that one though
       >
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       How do you know the ball is out if you arent looking at the
       ball?
       #Post#: 73122--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: Ashington46
       Date: December 28, 2023, 5:01 pm
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       It was good to see a referee using common sense and not falling
       for the usual tricks, used by so many players these days, of
       falling over because someone breathed heavily in their vicinity.
       The game is in danger of becoming a glorified 5-a-side
       non-contact game just so  that no player will suffer injury,
       which I am sure that FIFA would love.
       West Ham deserved the win tonight and Arsenal need to
       concentrate on playing a physical game instead  of trying to
       'obtain decisions' by whatever means possible.
       #Post#: 73127--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: tef
       Date: December 28, 2023, 5:19 pm
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       Unfortunate for Arsenal that they’ve been on the receiving end
       of two of those calls within a few weeks, but that’s the way it
       goes. We can’t be asking VARs to guess under any circumstances,
       and of course it was deemed “in play” both times by the
       officials on the field.
       The rest of the game was well managed, as usual. If you were
       being really picky I think a couple more cautions could’ve been
       given but overall a good performance from team ref.
       #Post#: 73128--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: MCPridz
       Date: December 28, 2023, 5:21 pm
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       --- Quote from: Claretman link ---
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       > [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=5527.msg73116#msg73116
       date=1703803490]
       > I usually say Michael Oliver is the best referee we have but
       tonight in our game he was very poor I thought, yes I get he had
       to give the first goal but it was out and you didn’t need to see
       the ball to see it was over the line you could see the line and
       the ere was no yellow on it, it was out so poor from Pawson on
       var there we should had 2 pens at least one for the foul on Saka
       as Chelsea virtually had a penalty for the same thing last night
       yet ours wasn’t given so poor there as well should of had one in
       the first half where ball had gone and Soucek went through on
       Jesus I think another poor decision, Oliver and Pawson wasn’t
       great West Ham’s penalty was stonewall there no complaints on
       that one though
       >
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       How do you know the ball is out if you arent looking at the
       ball?
       [/quote]
       Could you see any yellow on the line I couldn’t so therefore
       it’s out
       #Post#: 73130--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
       Date: December 28, 2023, 5:24 pm
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       --- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
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       > I usually say Michael Oliver is the best referee we have but
       tonight in our game he was very poor I thought, yes I get he had
       to give the first goal but it was out and you didn’t need to see
       the ball to see it was over the line you could see the line and
       the ere was no yellow on it, it was out so poor from Pawson on
       var there we should had 2 pens at least one for the foul on Saka
       as Chelsea virtually had a penalty for the same thing last night
       yet ours wasn’t given so poor there as well should of had one in
       the first half where ball had gone and Soucek went through on
       Jesus I think another poor decision, Oliver and Pawson wasn’t
       great West Ham’s penalty was stonewall there no complaints on
       that one though
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I’m sorry but how the dickens can you 100% conclusively prove
       that the ball was out?
       I would be extremely concerned if VAR assumed the ball was out,
       bearing in mind that a “ball out” scenario is FACTUAL rather
       than OPINION.
       Saka was a clear leg to opponent trigger that caused the
       collision and Saka alone instigated the contact. Had he not
       dragged his leg towards Ogbonna there would have been no
       contact.
       #Post#: 73131--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: Irishref1985
       Date: December 28, 2023, 5:37 pm
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       Excellent performance from Michael Oliver this evening. Got all
       the key decisions correct.
       #Post#: 73132--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: badref
       Date: December 28, 2023, 6:03 pm
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       Yep back to his best tonight finally
       #Post#: 73133--------------------------------------------------
       Re: M Oliver - Arsenal v West Ham
   DIR By: Claretman
       Date: December 28, 2023, 6:05 pm
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       --- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Claretman link=topic=5527.msg73121#msg73121
       date=1703804276]
       > [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=5527.msg73116#msg73116
       date=1703803490]
       > I usually say Michael Oliver is the best referee we have but
       tonight in our game he was very poor I thought, yes I get he had
       to give the first goal but it was out and you didn’t need to see
       the ball to see it was over the line you could see the line and
       the ere was no yellow on it, it was out so poor from Pawson on
       var there we should had 2 pens at least one for the foul on Saka
       as Chelsea virtually had a penalty for the same thing last night
       yet ours wasn’t given so poor there as well should of had one in
       the first half where ball had gone and Soucek went through on
       Jesus I think another poor decision, Oliver and Pawson wasn’t
       great West Ham’s penalty was stonewall there no complaints on
       that one though
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       How do you know the ball is out if you arent looking at the
       ball?
       [/quote]
       Could you see any yellow on the line I couldn’t so therefore
       it’s out
       [/quote]
       Part of the post you cannot see due to bowens right leg, the
       ball only has to overhang the line by the faintest of margins so
       there is no hope in hell you can tell if it is out or not, you
       can only guess which is an opinion not a fact, thus the onfield
       decision stands.
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