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Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Alfie75 Date: February 11, 2024, 4:18 am
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I don't think Luke did anything wrong - he was appointed as 4th
Official in the final. WR seemed to prefer putting Dickson &
Carley in an AR role over Pearce.
I think you can see the group was very close and they all seemed
to genuinely care about each other, which was great to see - The
reality was that if England wasn't getting to the final everyone
really deep down knew Wayne would get the final after missing
out last year and he was the popular choice by fellow officials
around him.
I think Nic Berry has performed really well in both his WC
tournaments (thought he was excellent in 19 too).
Gutted for Jaco - he just hasn't had any luck in the WC
tournaments he's been involved in!
I agree I would have liked to have seen a few episodes really
going into detail as the tournament progressed and the backstage
discussions.
But a good film which I hope will continue moving forward.
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Re: Six Nations 2024
By: RCG Date: February 12, 2024, 3:13 pm
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Congrats to Luke Pearce on 50 internationals. With Peyper's
retirement Pearce is the most experienced international rugby
referee. On Sunday, in what was not a hugely difficult game, it
showed - the discussion last week was the difference between
natural referees and manufactured (within football). Spend a
couple of hours watching Pearce compared to Doleman and the
difference is startling.
The English and Welsh packs knew they had fresh meat and
exploited every.last bit out of it. The management of the set
piece was pretty poor throughout, Doleman's communication will
improve as his standing does but first the players have got to
trust you.- if talking does not work, referee with the whistle.
I have seen differing opinions on Chessum's YC - I felt he had
bent at the waist and if it wasn't for the primary tackler
causing the Welsh player to drop to his knees, Chessum would
have taken the player around the stomach. Not sure what he could
have done differently- the speed in which thr decision came back
spoke volumes. James Doleman is not a bad referee, just not yet
anywhere close to challenging O'Keefe or Williams
I thought Nic Berry was good, his talking/communication was
better, more focused. I'm glad they looked at Baille's tackle
more than as just an accumulation YC.
As for the final act there can be no blame on Berry - he was
quite clear "I do not have a grounding- on field, no try"
We then seemed to spend ages between yes it was/no it wasn't-
Andrew Cotters reference to Scottish Law was most pertinent "not
proven". Had on field decision been Try, then try it would have
been. Maybe this was the one where ref says I'm not sure, let me
have another look" and it that case I think a try would have
been given, certainly France could not have complained.
Overall 2 good/v good performances, 1 of continuing to
grow/learn/improve
#Post#: 75617--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Hendo Date: February 12, 2024, 4:56 pm
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[quote author=RCG link=topic=5442.msg75614#msg75614
date=1707772401]
Congrats to Luke Pearce on 50 internationals. With Peyper's
retirement Pearce is the most experienced international rugby
referee. On Sunday, in what was not a hugely difficult game, it
showed - the discussion last week was the difference between
natural referees and manufactured (within football). Spend a
couple of hours watching Pearce compared to Doleman and the
difference is startling.
The English and Welsh packs knew they had fresh meat and
exploited every.last bit out of it. The management of the set
piece was pretty poor throughout, Doleman's communication will
improve as his standing does but first the players have got to
trust you.- if talking does not work, referee with the whistle.
I have seen differing opinions on Chessum's YC - I felt he had
bent at the waist and if it wasn't for the primary tackler
causing the Welsh player to drop to his knees, Chessum would
have taken the player around the stomach. Not sure what he could
have done differently- the speed in which thr decision came back
spoke volumes. James Doleman is not a bad referee, just not yet
anywhere close to challenging O'Keefe or Williams
I thought Nic Berry was good, his talking/communication was
better, more focused. I'm glad they looked at Baille's tackle
more than as just an accumulation YC.
As for the final act there can be no blame on Berry - he was
quite clear "I do not have a grounding- on field, no try"
We then seemed to spend ages between yes it was/no it wasn't-
Andrew Cotters reference to Scottish Law was most pertinent "not
proven". Had on field decision been Try, then try it would have
been. Maybe this was the one where ref says I'm not sure, let me
have another look" and it that case I think a try would have
been given, certainly France could not have complained.
Overall 2 good/v good performances, 1 of continuing to
grow/learn/improve
[/quote]
A very thorough and fair summary from RCG I feel and not much to
add. Both Berry and Pearce have an excellent rapport with the
players and use that to help them with game management.
I still feel Fords conversion decision should have been
overturned and the kick retaken.
#Post#: 75619--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Whistleblower Date: February 12, 2024, 5:16 pm
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[quote author=RCG link=topic=5442.msg75614#msg75614
date=1707772401]
Congrats to Luke Pearce on 50 internationals. With Peyper's
retirement Pearce is the most experienced international rugby
referee. On Sunday, in what was not a hugely difficult game, it
showed - the discussion last week was the difference between
natural referees and manufactured (within football). Spend a
couple of hours watching Pearce compared to Doleman and the
difference is startling.
The English and Welsh packs knew they had fresh meat and
exploited every.last bit out of it. The management of the set
piece was pretty poor throughout, Doleman's communication will
improve as his standing does but first the players have got to
trust you.- if talking does not work, referee with the whistle.
I have seen differing opinions on Chessum's YC - I felt he had
bent at the waist and if it wasn't for the primary tackler
causing the Welsh player to drop to his knees, Chessum would
have taken the player around the stomach. Not sure what he could
have done differently- the speed in which thr decision came back
spoke volumes. James Doleman is not a bad referee, just not yet
anywhere close to challenging O'Keefe or Williams
I thought Nic Berry was good, his talking/communication was
better, more focused. I'm glad they looked at Baille's tackle
more than as just an accumulation YC.
As for the final act there can be no blame on Berry - he was
quite clear "I do not have a grounding- on field, no try"
We then seemed to spend ages between yes it was/no it wasn't-
Andrew Cotters reference to Scottish Law was most pertinent "not
proven". Had on field decision been Try, then try it would have
been. Maybe this was the one where ref says I'm not sure, let me
have another look" and it that case I think a try would have
been given, certainly France could not have complained.
Overall 2 good/v good performances, 1 of continuing to
grow/learn/improve
[/quote]
Doleman clearly isn't anywhere near on the same page as Berry
and Pearce but as I often opine, there's no substitute for
experience and he will grow as a referee. Whether there was much
potential star quality about him, perhaps others are better
placed to judge; I certainly didn't see too much evidence of it.
I have always preferred Gardner's style to that of Berry's but I
must say that over the past year or so I have warmed much more
to Berry's officiating. Pearce for me is the real deal, I do not
understand why he was overlooked in the latter stages of the
World Cup. It all comes down to personal preferences I suppose.
#Post#: 75660--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Failed Ref Date: February 13, 2024, 9:17 am
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Dolman's decision regarding the charged down penalty was imho an
error. He had to make a decision, made it too quickly without
thinking it through. A sign of an inexperienced referee which
incidentally does not necessarily preclude him from doing
matches. There is no way that Ford had commenced is conversion
and it is that I believe is key. A movement in any direction can
be construed as a conversion attempt but Ford clearly was not
commencing his kick. He was winding down the yellow card clock.
Maybe we should get rid of the law that permits a charge down
for a conversion but not for a penalty. As for the end of the
Scotland game, the narrative at the end was not good and the
decision looked wrong. But I am surprised that the referee could
not see the ball on the line as the players moved away as it is
unlikely that the Scotland player, having got the ball down on
the grass, would have moved it. Therefore the referee would have
seen a grounding to support the video evidence. Maybe he didn't
- or the ball was not grounded. I read that Scotland want
clarification and why the TOM double downed on his original
decision to award the try. Maybe he belatedly realised that 100%
proof was required and changed his mind?
Pearce looked confident and I prefer him to Dickson who I feel
as an ex player has been fast tracked at the expense of a better
referee (or referees). Just my opinion.
#Post#: 75673--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Alfie75 Date: February 13, 2024, 12:00 pm
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I thought Luke was pretty good Sunday and he's matured into an
impressive referee - great to see, how he's not regarded as
England's number 1 is beyond comprehension for me, with Dickson
seemingly ahead in that regard.
I have to say I really didn't enjoy James Doleman's approach to
the England Wales game, and whilst he may have been technically
correct with certain calls, I think he lacked empathy and
rapport with the players. I also thought he was overly fussy.
Agree, he's not a bad referee at all but no-where near O Keeffe
& Williams.
I also have to say I wasn't a fan of Nic Berry (who I rate) I
just got the impression he was struggling out there and looked
for guidance quite a lot. I also felt he talked so much to
compensate for this. On the other hand, I absolutely can see why
he called no try right at the end in a really difficult
position. No issues for me with his original call.
#Post#: 75762--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: NRUReferee Date: February 15, 2024, 3:35 pm
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Thank God they’re sending over Angus to Europe
#Post#: 76272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Alfie75 Date: February 26, 2024, 10:45 am
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I have 3P's for the officiating in week 3, I'm not one to trash
officials as they have such a tough job BUT the standard has
deteriorated from week 1 culminating in poor, pedantic and at
times perplexing refereeing across the 3 matches. Have to say
the debutants didn't impress in their matches. It's a shame
really as I rate both Christophe and Andrea.
#Post#: 76308--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Hendo Date: February 27, 2024, 1:02 am
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[quote author=Alfie75 link=topic=5442.msg76272#msg76272
date=1708965940]
I have 3P's for the officiating in week 3, I'm not one to trash
officials as they have such a tough job BUT the standard has
deteriorated from week 1 culminating in poor, pedantic and at
times perplexing refereeing across the 3 matches. Have to say
the debutants didn't impress in their matches. It's a shame
really as I rate both Christophe and Andrea.
[/quote]
An unusually short assessment this time from Alfie. Really enjoy
reading your detailed analysis of each game, the majority of
which I can never argue with.
I didn’t see the Ireland v Wales game and only saw brief
highlights of Scotland v England so can’t really comment.
However saw the France v Italy game and, whilst one can probably
find fault with the French players encroaching during the final
penalty, I thought Ridley had a very good debut game, in fact in
2 separate newspaper reports the word “exemplary” has been used.
Would be interested to know why Alfie felt it was not a good
performance
#Post#: 76309--------------------------------------------------
Re: Six Nations 2024
By: Alfie75 Date: February 27, 2024, 3:03 am
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Sorry @ Hendo, I'm away at the moment on business so not a huge
amount of time to put a detailed analysis this week, try and get
back to normal for the final two weeks!!
I find it incredible that Ridley who was right in front didn't
ping the French players for encroachment - this is just the most
blatant penalty at a critical period of the game. I then find it
really strange that newspaper reports suggest he was exemplary
when he missed that! The top refs will be brave enough to make
that call and quite how no-one picked this up was just awful!!
All we ask is for consistency with technical things occur during
the game - we had the ball fall off the T in the Ireland v Wales
game and the watch was stopped but not in this game?
Being half Italian maybe I am biased haha! But generally, I
didn't agree with a number of decisions given. Now with that
last non-decision, I came away feeling incredibly frustrated!!
I said before, I rate Christophe but I wasn't comfortable with
his style. Maybe a bit harsh and I'll have to re-watch the game.
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