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       Re: D Rumsas - FC Kobenhavn v Man Utd
   DIR By: Affy_Moose
       Date: November 10, 2023, 4:04 am
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       --- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
       >
       > No mention (or even a VAR review) of the clear swinging arm
       into Hojlund's face which was a secondary action and no part of
       challenging for the header. Potential RC or at least a second
       YC.
       >
       > With the Rashford RC yet again a referee with a clear view
       from 5 yards away doesn't even give a freekick let alone a YC.
       What was he looking at given that was where the ball was and the
       play was at walking pace? They have got to stop these VAR slow
       motion replays in slow motion and show them at normal speed.
       Also the first look on the OFR should be of the full incident
       not frozen at a single point in time.
       >
       > As for the players laughing at the decision perhaps they are
       getting fed up not knowing what is going on.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Sorry Brunty, but this is quite off the mark.  The 'challenge'
       is unexpected, so the fact the referee takes no initial action
       is reflective of the fact he missed it, not that he deemed the
       contact to not even be careless.
       Also, the 'slow motion' debate is a red herring here.  In real
       time, any experienced referee knows that feeling of 'oh' and you
       clench up when you see the challenge.  The slow motion replay is
       required to confirm POC (i.e. on ankle and not boot) - it isn't
       used to determine the level of force.  The force is fairly clear
       from the manner in which the player's ankle flexes.  I have time
       for the slow motion discussion, but wrong challenge to dissent
       I'd suggest.
       Interestingly, the Guardian Football Podcast, which I judge to
       be fairly measured, unanimously agreed with the decision, and
       were quite disdainful of the former pros.  I also agree with
       their assertion "if that's not a red card by the LotG, I want to
       know what you propose to change the wording to so that lunges to
       the knee don't also become lawful'.
       Finally - the way players react is a measure of nothing but
       their own fairly mindless contempt.  How often do we see
       strikers flagged offside, be very clearly off, and turn round
       and wag their finger at the officials?  What's that a measure
       of?
       Edit: can't comment on the Holjund incident you mention, other
       than to say VAR obviously didn't judge it to be a red card (was
       it worse than James' from the Spurs game?).  Perhaps it was
       worthy of a second yellow, but that isn't a VAR call, and we
       shouldn't be getting too upset about potential cautions that
       referees opt not to give.
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