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Rugby World Cup 2027 - Referees panel
By: Hendo Date: October 31, 2023, 2:56 pm
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With the dust now settling on RWC 2023 I suspect it won’t be
long before thoughts turn to 2027, both for the teams and for
the officials. I am sure Joel Jutge and his team will be
considering the make up of the refereeing panel, not least
because there will be more teams and therefore potentially a
bigger pool of officials needed.
Just to put a bit of background into this. 8 of the 12 referees
from 2019 featured again this year, the only retirees since 2019
being Owens and the 3 Frenchmen Garces, Poite and Gauzere. Of
the 4 additional referees, 3 of them featured as assistants in
2019 - Dickson, Carley and Brace. The only complete newbie among
the 12 was Amushakeli.
If, and I know it’s a big if and highly unlikely, all 12 were
still around and considered good enough in 2027 8 of them would
be in their 40s - Barnes 48, Peyper 47, Raynal 46, Dickson 45,
Berry, Carley and Gardner all 43 and Williams 42. Of the rest
Pearce and Brace would be 39, O’Keefe 38 and Amushakeli 33. By
comparison to other years that would constitute a quite elderly,
if experienced, panel.
Turning to this years assistants, in 2027 Busby would be 41,
Brousset 38, Doleman and Evans 36, Piradi 35, Ridley 34 and Way
32.
And so to my questions -
1. Who do we see from the referee panel retiring before 2027 or
being “dropped”?
2. Do we see any of this years assistants pushing on strongly in
the next 4 years?
3. Will Piradi become the 1st Italian to referee a 6 Nations
game and make the cut for 2027?
4. Is Brousset seen as the natural successor to Raynal?
5. Are there referees not mentioned above who might make a claim
between now and 2027? For example I have seen good reports of
Tual Trainini from France, who was their referee of the year
last year; Ben Blain and Sam Grove-White are doing well in
Scotland and may eclipse Adamson. Has Adamson’s chance gone
after being overlooked this year or might he bounce back?
I wonder if we may get a feel for World Rugby’s thinking when
the 6 Nations appointments are announced. It would be good to
see a few new faces being trialed at an early stage, rather than
simply falling back on the same old faces
My gut feeling is that if a good number of the 2023 referees
were not around in 2027 the panel could look somewhat light
weight.
I accept this is all mere speculation for now but I just
wondered what some of our more esteemed rugby experts - Alfie,
RCG etc - felt might possibly happen in the next 4 years
#Post#: 70241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rugby World Cup 2027 - Referees panel
By: Alfie75 Date: November 1, 2023, 4:21 am
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[quote author=Hendo link=topic=5335.msg70228#msg70228
date=1698782174]
With the dust now settling on RWC 2023 I suspect it won’t be
long before thoughts turn to 2027, both for the teams and for
the officials. I am sure Joel Jutge and his team will be
considering the make up of the refereeing panel, not least
because there will be more teams and therefore potentially a
bigger pool of officials needed.
Just to put a bit of background into this. 8 of the 12 referees
from 2019 featured again this year, the only retirees since 2019
being Owens and the 3 Frenchmen Garces, Poite and Gauzere. Of
the 4 additional referees, 3 of them featured as assistants in
2019 - Dickson, Carley and Brace. The only complete newbie among
the 12 was Amushakeli.
If, and I know it’s a big if and highly unlikely, all 12 were
still around and considered good enough in 2027 8 of them would
be in their 40s - Barnes 48, Peyper 47, Raynal 46, Dickson 45,
Berry, Carley and Gardner all 43 and Williams 42. Of the rest
Pearce and Brace would be 39, O’Keefe 38 and Amushakeli 33. By
comparison to other years that would constitute a quite elderly,
if experienced, panel.
Turning to this years assistants, in 2027 Busby would be 41,
Brousset 38, Doleman and Evans 36, Piradi 35, Ridley 34 and Way
32.
And so to my questions -
1. Who do we see from the referee panel retiring before 2027 or
being “dropped”?
2. Do we see any of this years assistants pushing on strongly in
the next 4 years?
3. Will Piradi become the 1st Italian to referee a 6 Nations
game and make the cut for 2027?
4. Is Brousset seen as the natural successor to Raynal?
5. Are there referees not mentioned above who might make a claim
between now and 2027? For example I have seen good reports of
Tual Trainini from France, who was their referee of the year
last year; Ben Blain and Sam Grove-White are doing well in
Scotland and may eclipse Adamson. Has Adamson’s chance gone
after being overlooked this year or might he bounce back?
I wonder if we may get a feel for World Rugby’s thinking when
the 6 Nations appointments are announced. It would be good to
see a few new faces being trialed at an early stage, rather than
simply falling back on the same old faces
My gut feeling is that if a good number of the 2023 referees
were not around in 2027 the panel could look somewhat light
weight.
I accept this is all mere speculation for now but I just
wondered what some of our more esteemed rugby experts - Alfie,
RCG etc - felt might possibly happen in the next 4 years
[/quote]
Very interesting and for me, I think there will certainly be a
few changes to the panel. My answers below:
1/ I think we all feel Barnes will not be around in 27. I also
have my doubts over Peyper. I actually think the rest may well
be around for the next WC. I'm not sure if Berry or Dickson will
have the hunger for another 4 years (the only reason is
Australia holds the next event for Berry).
2/ The ones that look like they may well be pushed would be
Brousett, Busby, Doleman, Evans & Piardi. Ridley does seem to
suit WR in a AR role and maybe a bit early for Way (could be
pushed as they seem to have given up on Damon Murphy).
3/ Yes he will (maybe not in 2024, but certainly before 2027).
I'm less convinced he will make the cut in 2027 as referee (all
depends on how WR will handle him).
4/ Currently, yes. Tual Trainini & Luc Ramos are also being
pushed by Garces as head of FFR.
5/ I think they will come from the AR panel in 2027 and more
likely from the 5 mentioned in answer 2. I think Adamson just
isn't good enough for a WC - his chance for me was this year
(they choose Dickson and Amashukeli).
I don't think there will be huge differences in the panel for
the 6 Nations in 24, we might well see a few changes in 25.
The difference this year to the next World Cup is there will be
a larger tournament - so, in theory, the may well increase the
panel to 14 referees, 8 AR's and keep 8 TMO's/bunker.
Also, South Africa just don't seem to be producing referees at
the top level, which may indicate Peyper may stick around.
For me the 2027 referee panel would look like this (at least 12
- gone with 14):
1. Amashukeli
2. Berry or Way
3. Brace
4. Carley
5. Dickson or Ridley
6. Doleman
7. Evans
8. Gardner
9. O Keeffe
10. Pearce
11. Piardi
12. Peyper
13. Raynal
14. Williams
AR's - generally, we Don't usually see the same AR's in
successive tournaments in recent years (they either move up or
drop off)
Part of the make up could look like this (kept Way on as he's
young and it's a home WC for him)
Grove-White or Davidson
Gnecchi
Leale
Jacobs
Trianini
Way
#Post#: 70243--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rugby World Cup 2027 - Referees panel
By: Failed Ref Date: November 1, 2023, 6:13 am
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I cannot really add much since really it is opinion. What I will
say is that WR were and probably still are looking to develop
former players which is why I believe Dickson has been favoured
over others. I understand that he is not as highly regarded in
England as say Carley or Pearce and of course Barnes. I am not
sure Dickson is French speaking unlike Luke Pearce - surely that
is important in the 6 nations?
We shall see in due course.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2027 - Referees panel
By: RCG Date: November 1, 2023, 1:54 pm
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There is only 4 additional games in the next World Cup
Pool phase will be 6 groups of 4 giving 36 games, 8 in Ro16 and
so on
12 would still be a good number of referees - each do 3 group
games and subject to performance 1 KO game
#Post#: 70255--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rugby World Cup 2027 - Referees panel
By: Alfie75 Date: November 2, 2023, 3:34 am
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Wasn't aware of only 4 additional games.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2027 - Referees panel
By: Rory Stride Date: November 2, 2023, 8:13 am
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Wayne Barnes had announced his retirement from refereeing
HTML https://twitter.com/WayneBarnesRef/status/1720049940980814087
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