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#Post#: 69143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: bmb
Date: October 8, 2023, 3:55 am
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--- Quote from: watfordref link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=5266.msg69120#msg69120
date=1696714173]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=5266.msg69065#msg69065
date=1696695341]
>
> How many times is the F word heard throughout a game ?
>
> If Gillet cannot accept industrial language used in the heat
of the game then he is in the wrong profession.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Far too many.
I don't go to games to watch players crying because the ref
hasn't given a kick their way, or throw themselves to the ground
because someone in row z sneezed or to listen to them swearing
and shouting and having a melt down a 2 year old would be proud
of because the mean referee didn't pander to their self entitled
bratty behaviour.
If professional players can't learn and abide by the LOTG, act
like actual professionals, show some respect for other
participants in the game, including the referee and can't manage
to kick a bag of wind around for 90 minutes without screaming,
shouting and yelling the F word constantly then perhaps they are
in the wrong profession.
[/quote]
This is one of the worst takes I have seen about this incident.
All I can say is thank God you are nowhere near the lawmakers -
this version of the game would lose supporters faster than you
could count.
Gillett has never struck me as a very "nice" referee. He doesn't
seem respected by the players or have a good rapport with them.
I don't think he has come across well in the VAR clips that have
been released in the way he addresses and speaks to players.
There are also PLENTY of professions were swearing is accepted.
Also, saying "that's a f*****g foul" is not swearing AT the
referee. It is using a swear word within a sentence. Calling the
referee a swearword would constitute swearing at an official.
What happened today doesn't.
[/quote]
You mean the version of the game where players would act like
the professionals they are meant to be and spend 90 minutes
actually playing football instead of squealing like babies if
someone looks at them, throwing themselves to the floor as hit
by a sniper when anyone in the crowd sneezes or having a tantrum
when a decision, rightly or wrongly, doesn't go their way? God
forbid they shut their potty mouths for 90 mins and wow the
crowd with their talent and skills - that really would be
dreadful wouldn't it. [emoji42]
#Post#: 69144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: Tweed
Date: October 8, 2023, 4:11 am
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I always find it strange when people who were not on the pitch
speak with great authority on whether a card for dissent is
correct. None of us actually know what Neil said to Gillett.
None of us know if he'd has a wee pop before and he's been told
to wrap it. Nobody knows what he's told them in the dressing
room he will tolerate. So other than the fairly aggressive body
language, we're all guessing a bit and none of us can say with
certainty if it was harsh or not, but on the face of it, it
looked a reasonable decision.
#Post#: 69145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: ajb95
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:07 am
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Just to say I don’t support either team. But I don’t think the
issue here is the red card- or second yellow which is completely
correct in law. It’s the fact that before the game Gillett has
said to the managers and captains pre-match, that he will manage
the game rather than resorting to cards, so he has done the
complete opposite of what he said he was going to do. That is
hard to accept for fans and players and Gillett has made a rod
for his own back. He should never have said that in the first
place, then there wouldn’t be this furore over a correct
decision
#Post#: 69146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: watfordref
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:11 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
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> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5266.msg69059#msg69059
date=1696690159]
> [quote author=Joecphillips link=topic=5266.msg69054#msg69054
date=1696685375]
> Sends a player off for pointing and saying it’s a f’ing foul
fails to send greenwood off for a second yellow late challenge
and takes his shin, first half Clarke constantly pulled back
well done.
>
> If we are sending players off in derby’s for what he has Dan
Neil no team will ever finish a game with players on the pitch
>
> Edit forgot about a dive by greenwood while on a yellow
>
--- End Quote ---
He didn't send him off for that, he gave him a second caution
for it. The players have been told repeatedly that dissent
won't be tolerated this season, so if a player already on a
caution showed dissent he effectively got himself sent off.
[/quote]
I completely agree with rustyref. I’ve not seen any highlights
as I’ve been at work all day, but we talk about the authorities
taking a tougher stance with the back chat and the verbals
directed at referees (which I hasten to add has been a very
wanted notion by a lot of posters on this message board).
If what is being said is true, then I applaud Gillett for having
the guile to second yellow a player for dissent.
This is exactly the message the governing authorities should be
advocating to the officials, and if I were them, I would keep
publicising this dismissal until the cows come home.
Then, finally, we may then start to see officials given the
respect they deserve, rather than a volley of abuse from
overpaid primadonnas on the field who don’t get their own way..
[/quote]
I was no less or more forthright in my position than the poster
I was replying to.
#Post#: 69148--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:20 am
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It’s not about ‘industrial’ language (although I hate that
phrase as it’s just a euphemism for swearing/abusive language).
The key is surely the the dissent by action - he strides over,
arms gesturing. Everyone in the ground can see he’s arguing.
Players can get away with verbal dissent to a point as ref can
handle that as he sees fit (depends on what/how it’s said), but
when there is a focus on dissent, anything public will be dealt
with firmly. They’ve been repeatedly warned and I have no
sympathy at all. Professional clubs and players, getting paid
huge salaries, need to quickly alter their poor habits and do a
more professional job.
#Post#: 69149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: Ref95
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:21 am
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Having been in the same position myself many times, this thread
reads like a case of maybe waiting a couple of days to post to
give yourself a chance to calm down. Sunderland fans
understandably frustrated after losing 4-0 at home to a rival,
might then realise that they only really have their own player
to blame for going down to 10.
Whether you agree with the level of tolerance or not, Gillet is
absolutely acting within the LOTG. And for all we know, he may
have warned the player several times prior to this incident and
this was the final straw.
From a personal level, I can tolerate the odd bit of dissent
when it’s said quietly as the player runs past me, but I won’t
accept someone running ten yards, waving arms and bellowing from
a distance, as has happened in this case.
Silly from the Sunderland player, but hopefully he’ll learn from
it. A very good side to watch, full of young talent that will
undoubtedly have the odd naive moment.
#Post#: 69150--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: watfordref
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:22 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=watfordref link=topic=5266.msg69127#msg69127
date=1696716185]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=5266.msg69120#msg69120
date=1696714173]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=5266.msg69065#msg69065
date=1696695341]
>
> How many times is the F word heard throughout a game ?
>
> If Gillet cannot accept industrial language used in the heat
of the game then he is in the wrong profession.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Far too many.
I don't go to games to watch players crying because the ref
hasn't given a kick their way, or throw themselves to the ground
because someone in row z sneezed or to listen to them swearing
and shouting and having a melt down a 2 year old would be proud
of because the mean referee didn't pander to their self entitled
bratty behaviour.
If professional players can't learn and abide by the LOTG, act
like actual professionals, show some respect for other
participants in the game, including the referee and can't manage
to kick a bag of wind around for 90 minutes without screaming,
shouting and yelling the F word constantly then perhaps they are
in the wrong profession.
[/quote]
This is one of the worst takes I have seen about this incident.
All I can say is thank God you are nowhere near the lawmakers -
this version of the game would lose supporters faster than you
could count.
Gillett has never struck me as a very "nice" referee. He doesn't
seem respected by the players or have a good rapport with them.
I don't think he has come across well in the VAR clips that have
been released in the way he addresses and speaks to players.
There are also PLENTY of professions were swearing is accepted.
Also, saying "that's a f*****g foul" is not swearing AT the
referee. It is using a swear word within a sentence. Calling the
referee a swearword would constitute swearing at an official.
What happened today doesn't.
[/quote]
You mean the version of the game where players would act like
the professionals they are meant to be and spend 90 minutes
actually playing football instead of squealing like babies if
someone looks at them, throwing themselves to the floor as hit
by a sniper when anyone in the crowd sneezes or having a tantrum
when a decision, rightly or wrongly, doesn't go their way? God
forbid they shut their potty mouths for 90 mins and wow the
crowd with their talent and skills - that really would be
dreadful wouldn't it. [emoji42]
[/quote]
See, the way you speak about football players I find very rude
and disrespectful. Yourself and many others on these threads set
a high bar for how we address each other on these forums and for
how players should address referee's within the game and are
generally very supportive of officials clamping down on dissent.
To then carry on like that when describing footballers and
generalise all with the same brush and use words such as
"babies" and hyperbole such as "flinging themselves to floor
when someone in the crowd sneezes" I just find very hypocritical
and counter productive.
As a referring community how can we expect players to act
professionally when those involved in officiating are so
demeaning in return?
#Post#: 69152--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: Claretman
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:26 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Just to say I don’t support either team. But I don’t think the
issue here is the red card- or second yellow which is completely
correct in law. It’s the fact that before the game Gillett has
said to the managers and captains pre-match, that he will manage
the game rather than resorting to cards, so he has done the
complete opposite of what he said he was going to do. That is
hard to accept for fans and players and Gillett has made a rod
for his own back. He should never have said that in the first
place, then there wouldn’t be this furore over a correct
decision
>
--- End Quote ---
It was the losing manager who stated Gillett’s alleged comments
before the game and it is a case of whether you believe him or
not. It is not a fact.
#Post#: 69153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: Hertsref123
Date: October 8, 2023, 5:32 am
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--- Quote from: watfordref link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=5266.msg69143#msg69143
date=1696755340]
> [quote author=watfordref link=topic=5266.msg69127#msg69127
date=1696716185]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=5266.msg69120#msg69120
date=1696714173]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=5266.msg69065#msg69065
date=1696695341]
>
> How many times is the F word heard throughout a game ?
>
> If Gillet cannot accept industrial language used in the heat
of the game then he is in the wrong profession.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Far too many.
I don't go to games to watch players crying because the ref
hasn't given a kick their way, or throw themselves to the ground
because someone in row z sneezed or to listen to them swearing
and shouting and having a melt down a 2 year old would be proud
of because the mean referee didn't pander to their self entitled
bratty behaviour.
If professional players can't learn and abide by the LOTG, act
like actual professionals, show some respect for other
participants in the game, including the referee and can't manage
to kick a bag of wind around for 90 minutes without screaming,
shouting and yelling the F word constantly then perhaps they are
in the wrong profession.
[/quote]
This is one of the worst takes I have seen about this incident.
All I can say is thank God you are nowhere near the lawmakers -
this version of the game would lose supporters faster than you
could count.
Gillett has never struck me as a very "nice" referee. He doesn't
seem respected by the players or have a good rapport with them.
I don't think he has come across well in the VAR clips that have
been released in the way he addresses and speaks to players.
There are also PLENTY of professions were swearing is accepted.
Also, saying "that's a f*****g foul" is not swearing AT the
referee. It is using a swear word within a sentence. Calling the
referee a swearword would constitute swearing at an official.
What happened today doesn't.
[/quote]
You mean the version of the game where players would act like
the professionals they are meant to be and spend 90 minutes
actually playing football instead of squealing like babies if
someone looks at them, throwing themselves to the floor as hit
by a sniper when anyone in the crowd sneezes or having a tantrum
when a decision, rightly or wrongly, doesn't go their way? God
forbid they shut their potty mouths for 90 mins and wow the
crowd with their talent and skills - that really would be
dreadful wouldn't it. [emoji42]
[/quote]
See, the way you speak about football players I find very rude
and disrespectful. Yourself and many others on these threads set
a high bar for how we address each other on these forums and for
how players should address referee's within the game and are
generally very supportive of officials clamping down on dissent.
To then carry on like that when describing footballers and
generalise all with the same brush and use words such as
"babies" and hyperbole such as "flinging themselves to floor
when someone in the crowd sneezes" I just find very hypocritical
and counter productive.
As a referring community how can we expect players to act
professionally when those involved in officiating are so
demeaning in return?
[/quote]
You also responded to her post saying it was one of the worst
takes you’ve ever seen, that in itself was disrespectful, if her
comments calling players babies was rude, so was your comment on
gillet saying he wasn’t nice. You seem very happy for refs to
get slaughtered, yet get uptight when its done to a player.
#Post#: 69156--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jarred Gillett - wear tees Derby out of his depth
DIR By: bmb
Date: October 8, 2023, 6:10 am
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--- Quote from: watfordref link ---
>
> As a referring community how can we expect players to act
professionally when those involved in officiating are so
demeaning in return?
>
--- End Quote ---
As a refereeing community we should not be stating that a player
showing dissent is acceptable and a referee correctly punishing
said dissent was wrong. That is an attitude better saved for
fans forums. It is one thing to critique an incorrect decision
or to debate whether a subjective decision was correct or not in
our subjective opinions and quite another to defend a clear
wrong doing by a player and criticise the referee for dealing
with it correctly. As referees we should be supporting our
colleagues when they call a decision correct within the laws of
the game whatever team they make the decision against.
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