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S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: September 17, 2023, 10:54 am
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Interesting offside given by VAR following the Martinelli
finish.
Despite the ball being deflected by an Everton player I can only
assume that the offside was given for the initial ball forward
movement from the boot of Gabriel.
That said, those VAR offside lines didn’t look very accurate!
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: magpie1892
Date: September 17, 2023, 10:57 am
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A few points here
1. The touch from the Everton wasn;t deliberate play i presume
2. The VAR has different angles from the TV company
3. I think its very difficult to draw the lines incorrectly now,
as its done automatically once they have plotted the players.
Gary Neville is pretty clueless considering how many features
he's done with PGMOL.
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: Jake the Peg
Date: September 17, 2023, 11:57 am
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Does it not make a difference that the pass from Gabriel which
was intercepted actually went sideways not forwards?
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: guest308
Date: September 17, 2023, 12:25 pm
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4 mins stoppage time is a major miscalculation 7 substitutions
and 1 goal would be more than that without arsenals delaying
tactics since scoring. Very poor.
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 17, 2023, 1:01 pm
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I was surprised by the lack of added time. There were 8 minutes
across the two halves. It obviously will differ from game to
game but I think generally referees should be looking to add at
least 10 minutes across the two halves to get towards 60 minutes
of playing time. It certainly felt like there were quite a few
stoppages today.
I don't think that was the greatest co-commentary from Gary
Neville.
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: nemesis
Date: September 17, 2023, 2:38 pm
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--- Quote from: charlieboy link ---
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> 4 mins stoppage time is a major miscalculation 7 substitutions
and 1 goal would be more than that without arsenals delaying
tactics since scoring. Very poor.
>
--- End Quote ---
Indeed, and in the woefully inadequate 4 mins and 22 secs added,
the ball was in play for less than 2 minutes!
Most referees would, in the current interpretation, have added
at least 7 or 8 mins. This is basic stuff and relatively
straightforward. There should not be these inconsistencies.
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: September 17, 2023, 2:59 pm
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Very different to AFCB v Chelsea earlier where 9 minutes were
added on at the end by David Coote, despite no goals, no serious
injuries and a minimum of time-wasting. Glen Murray on R5L
thought there would be three minutes and seemed genuinely
flabbergasted when the board went up. Perhaps Mr Coote was
hopiing that a goal would come and send at least some of the
fans home happy, but in this he obviously failed (only joking).
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 17, 2023, 4:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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> Very different to AFCB v Chelsea earlier where 9 minutes were
added on at the end by David Coote, despite no goals, no serious
injuries and a minimum of time-wasting. Glen Murray on R5L
thought there would be three minutes and seemed genuinely
flabbergasted when the board went up. Perhaps Mr Coote was
hopiing that a goal would come and send at least some of the
fans home happy, but in this he obviously failed (only joking).
>
--- End Quote ---
I predicted 7 mins, 8 went up on the board and nearer 9 were
played.
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 17, 2023, 4:21 pm
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--- Quote from: Jake the Peg link ---
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> Does it not make a difference that the pass from Gabriel which
was intercepted actually went sideways not forwards?
>
--- End Quote ---
This is one of the biggest myths in football laws, that the ball
has to be played forward for offside to be penalised. It
absolutely does not, but unfortunately a lot of referees don't
know this.
It was the correct decision. No way that could be a deliberate
play so the offside is judged from when Gabriel plays the ball.
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Re: S A HOOPER - Everton v Arsenal
DIR By: Boggle
Date: September 18, 2023, 2:15 am
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The lack of added time surprised me too. Four minutes on the
second half would have seemed too little in that match, even
before the new regime but in the current climate was bizarre. As
posted above, given how little the ball was actually in play
during that time, the further 22 seconds also seemed inadequate.
If the new measures to ensure greater playing time and to deter
time wasting aren’t to be enforced in all games, then it’s a
waste of time at best and unfair at worst. If the refs at Villa
Park and Tottenham Stadium had taken the same approach as Hooper
at Goodison, there would have been wins for Crystal Palace and
Sheffield United on Saturday.
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