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       #Post#: 67683--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: September 9, 2023, 4:28 pm
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       As a casual rugby follower, I'm a bit unsure about the new
       Bunker system? Why can the referee/TMO not make the decision as
       before? Do referees ever still show red cards initially or is
       there a tendency to go for the yellow card initially and then
       wait for the review?
       I heard some suggestions that the score was changed in the
       France game after the final whistle due to a conversion not
       actually going in?
       #Post#: 67684--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: BabyRef
       Date: September 9, 2023, 4:33 pm
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       To be fair, the referee didn't award the conversion at the time
       (he didn't blow his whistle or put his hand in the air; the
       confusion was because a touch judge put his flag up and then put
       it down again) - the mistake was with the scoreboard operator
       who added the two points mistakenly.
       #Post#: 67691--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: September 10, 2023, 1:04 am
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       As a casual rugby follower, I'm a bit unsure about the new
       Bunker system? Why can the referee/TMO not make the decision as
       before? Do referees ever still show red cards initially or is
       there a tendency to go for the yellow card initially and then
       wait for the review?
       The idea is to speed up the game but ensure time is given to red
       card decisions. The referee can still show straight red but is
       more likely to yellow/review.
       Previously not all replays were available to officials instantly
       so there was a lot of waiting around. By sin binning the player
       the game can proceed, then the review officer has a further 8
       minutes to decide if YC is sufficient or it should be red,
       reviewing all available footage
       #Post#: 67707--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: September 10, 2023, 6:35 am
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       --- Quote from: RCG link ---
       >
       >
       > As a casual rugby follower, I'm a bit unsure about the new
       Bunker system? Why can the referee/TMO not make the decision as
       before? Do referees ever still show red cards initially or is
       there a tendency to go for the yellow card initially and then
       wait for the review?
       >
       > The idea is to speed up the game but ensure time is given to
       red card decisions. The referee can still show straight red but
       is more likely to yellow/review.
       > Previously not all replays were available to officials
       instantly so there was a lot of waiting around. By sin binning
       the player the game can proceed, then the review officer has a
       further 8 minutes to decide if YC is sufficient or it should be
       red, reviewing all available footage
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks.
       I can sort of see some arguments for this but I'm not sure I
       like it in general. I think from a dramatic/entertainment
       perspective it seems a bit odd and I also wonder if it reduces
       the authority of the on-field team a bit - people often speak in
       football about the referee leaving a decision to VAR when they
       could potentially make it themselves to begin with. Does this
       not risk just being a further extension of this?
       #Post#: 67708--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: September 10, 2023, 6:58 am
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       Referees can still go red and this is not then checked. I think
       after Freddie Steward's red was rescinded pre "bunker" the
       referees will refer it more often than not. I suppose its trying
       to get consistency across all games.
       #Post#: 67723--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: BabyRef
       Date: September 10, 2023, 1:51 pm
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       I thought Angus Gardner seemed quite ill at ease during the
       SCO-RSA game - he got into an unneccessary argument with the
       South Africa captain and seemed a bit flustered late in the
       second half. Maybe the heat got to him!
       #Post#: 67726--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: September 10, 2023, 2:58 pm
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       He didn't realise he was now the captain! Definitely the most
       vocal of the referees, too many explanations (his downfall
       recently)
       A missed head on head challenge by SA very early on, TMO error
       in my opinion
       #Post#: 67734--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: BabyRef
       Date: September 10, 2023, 3:41 pm
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       The yellow card in WAL v FIJI leaves a sour taste to me - Wales
       conceded three/four successive penalties within a matter of
       minutes in the red zone and just had a warning but Fiji getting
       a yellow for a similar infringement. I'd feel aggrieved if I was
       a Fiji fan.
       #Post#: 67735--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: BabyRef
       Date: September 10, 2023, 3:50 pm
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       Agghh - stopping a rolling scrum to give Fiji a penalty when
       Fiji were moving towards the try line.
       I'm usually quite rate Carley but don't think this was his best
       day at the office.
       #Post#: 67741--------------------------------------------------
       Re: World Cup Chat
   DIR By: bruntyboy
       Date: September 10, 2023, 6:49 pm
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       --- Quote from: RCG link ---
       >
       > I thought both were yellows. Tom Curry is the instigator as he
       is in the landing zone- half time analysis suggests he has clear
       line of sight so no mitigation.
       > If Curry's incident had not happened no-one would expect more
       than YC for Arg10, attempted charge down, turned so contact was
       with his body.
       > Other than those, which ultimately aren't Raynal's decisions I
       think the French man has done well.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       If Curry's foul is deemed to be so dangerous then why are
       footballers not regularly sent off after a clash of heads
       especially when one player either goes in late to the challenge
       and has no chance of winning the header? Similarly when one
       player "makes a back" for the other player which invariably
       leads to the other player falling dangerously forwards
       (potentially landing on their head)?
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