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Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 5, 2023, 3:01 am
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Absolutely hilarious! Although the claim that VAR is artificial
intelligence may strike a chord with fans everywhere!
HTML https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/national/23767682.artificial-intelligence-replace-referees-within-30-years---expert/
Referees could be replaced by robots within the next 30 years,
an expert in the field believes.
Artificial intelligence is already prominent in officiating,
with the use of VAR and goalline technology, but it is expected
to heavily increase in the future.
With more high-quality data available, it could be possible for
matches to be officiated by an AI-powered machine, taking away
the need for an on-field human referee.
...
#Post#: 67571--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: September 5, 2023, 3:39 am
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I certainly agree about assistants disappearing in the
foreseeable future and I note that the US Open Tennis
championship appear to have already gone down the road of
dispensing with line judges. Maybe also VARs. However I am not
convinced that football can dispense with the services of
referees in the middle, even at the top levels with all its
technology already available. If that happens, with the loss of
the human element, I would seriously question how far AI could
go in taking over human activities in football. It would
certainly give a new meaning to 'robotic refereeing'. No, I
think Oliver and Taylor can rest easy for a little while longer!
#Post#: 67579--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: Carter
Date: September 5, 2023, 5:33 am
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Some would say, not me of course there are plenty of 'robots'
already officiating at the top level.
#Post#: 67580--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: September 5, 2023, 5:35 am
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In terms of decision-making I can see how this could be
considered feasible. I do however struggle to see how AI could
prevent a "handbags" situation in the middle developing into
something more serious or chivvy players along who are showing
signs of wasting time before it escalates etc. There is plenty
of game- and man-management done by ARs as well (the good ones
anyway) which would surely be beyond the scope of a machine.
#Post#: 67582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: lincs22
Date: September 5, 2023, 6:22 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> Absolutely hilarious! Although the claim that VAR is
artificial intelligence may strike a chord with fans everywhere!
>
>
HTML https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/national/23767682.artificial-intelligence-replace-referees-within-30-years---expert/
>
> Referees could be replaced by robots within the next 30 years,
an expert in the field believes.
>
> Artificial intelligence is already prominent in officiating,
with the use of VAR and goalline technology, but it is expected
to heavily increase in the future.
>
> With more high-quality data available, it could be possible
for matches to be officiated by an AI-powered machine, taking
away the need for an on-field human referee.
>
> ...
>
--- End Quote ---
Robocop - anybody? I don't think we will be playing football in
the same way in 30 years time anyway
#Post#: 67595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 5, 2023, 3:23 pm
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I work very close to this field, and whilst there is no doubt AI
has come on massively in recent years it is still a million
miles away from what they are suggesting here. Even for ARs, AI
will be able to tell if a player was in on offside position, but
how is it possibly going to tell whether they interfered with
play, an opponent, or gained an advantage?
#Post#: 67601--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: September 6, 2023, 12:02 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> I work very close to this field, and whilst there is no doubt
AI has come on massively in recent years it is still a million
miles away from what they are suggesting here. Even for ARs, AI
will be able to tell if a player was in on offside position, but
how is it possibly going to tell whether they interfered with
play, an opponent, or gained an advantage?
>
--- End Quote ---
The world of AI is still a bit of a mystery to me, I struggle
enough with traditional natural intelligence ! That said, I have
little doubt that AI is going to signal a huge revolution in he
way systems operate, akin to the information revolution of the
last thirty years and probably more significant than that. A
question, does AI concern itself solely with facts and given
material or can it have an opinion as well ? So much of
refereeing is "in the opinion of the referee"
#Post#: 67613--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 6, 2023, 4:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5175.msg67595#msg67595
date=1693945410]
> I work very close to this field, and whilst there is no doubt
AI has come on massively in recent years it is still a million
miles away from what they are suggesting here. Even for ARs, AI
will be able to tell if a player was in on offside position, but
how is it possibly going to tell whether they interfered with
play, an opponent, or gained an advantage?
>
--- End Quote ---
The world of AI is still a bit of a mystery to me, I struggle
enough with traditional natural intelligence ! That said, I have
little doubt that AI is going to signal a huge revolution in he
way systems operate, akin to the information revolution of the
last thirty years and probably more significant than that. A
question, does AI concern itself solely with facts and given
material or can it have an opinion as well ? So much of
refereeing is "in the opinion of the referee"
[/quote]
No, it needs to have a knowledge base to base its intelligence
on, and this is where AI currently can fall a bit flat. It can
see a situation and then look back at its knowledge base to see
what the outcome should be, but if it hasn't happened before it
won't know what to do.
In terms of replacing an AR, it can certainly determine when the
ball was played and whether the player receiving the ball was in
an offside position, we already have that with the
semi-automated VAR used in the World Cup. What it can't do, and
I can't see how it will ever be able to do, is determine whether
an attacker interfered with an opponent.
There's a lot of fervour, and seemingly almost panic, about AI
at the moment across all areas. But the key thing to remember
is it can automate what humans currently do manually, but it
can't implement that automation. Someone, not something, has to
"train" it.
#Post#: 67614--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: September 6, 2023, 4:45 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=5175.msg67601#msg67601
date=1693976562]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5175.msg67595#msg67595
date=1693945410]
> I work very close to this field, and whilst there is no doubt
AI has come on massively in recent years it is still a million
miles away from what they are suggesting here. Even for ARs, AI
will be able to tell if a player was in on offside position, but
how is it possibly going to tell whether they interfered with
play, an opponent, or gained an advantage?
>
--- End Quote ---
The world of AI is still a bit of a mystery to me, I struggle
enough with traditional natural intelligence ! That said, I have
little doubt that AI is going to signal a huge revolution in he
way systems operate, akin to the information revolution of the
last thirty years and probably more significant than that. A
question, does AI concern itself solely with facts and given
material or can it have an opinion as well ? So much of
refereeing is "in the opinion of the referee"
[/quote]
No, it needs to have a knowledge base to base its intelligence
on, and this is where AI currently can fall a bit flat. It can
see a situation and then look back at its knowledge base to see
what the outcome should be, but if it hasn't happened before it
won't know what to do.
In terms of replacing an AR, it can certainly determine when the
ball was played and whether the player receiving the ball was in
an offside position, we already have that with the
semi-automated VAR used in the World Cup. What it can't do, and
I can't see how it will ever be able to do, is determine whether
an attacker interfered with an opponent.
There's a lot of fervour, and seemingly almost panic, about AI
at the moment across all areas. But the key thing to remember
is it can automate what humans currently do manually, but it
can't implement that automation. Someone, not something, has to
"train" it.
[/quote]
The more it is 'trained' then the more it takes over. All well
and good, however, the outcome could be very worrying for all.
What our younger generation don't seem to understand is more
automation less jobs more unemployment but more profit for the
larger companies. Next question with less people working who
will pay the tax required to pay the benefit system and that
also applies to football officials who wil be out of work
I don't worry because I am well into my 70s, however, AI could
have a really big influence on pensions and benefits in the
future. I suppose the only plus side is that players iwll still
continue to receive exorbitant amounts of money and will still
be paying into the system.
#Post#: 67616--------------------------------------------------
Re: Referees set to be replaced by AI within 30 years
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 6, 2023, 5:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5175.msg67613#msg67613
date=1694034855]
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=5175.msg67601#msg67601
date=1693976562]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=5175.msg67595#msg67595
date=1693945410]
> I work very close to this field, and whilst there is no doubt
AI has come on massively in recent years it is still a million
miles away from what they are suggesting here. Even for ARs, AI
will be able to tell if a player was in on offside position, but
how is it possibly going to tell whether they interfered with
play, an opponent, or gained an advantage?
>
--- End Quote ---
The world of AI is still a bit of a mystery to me, I struggle
enough with traditional natural intelligence ! That said, I have
little doubt that AI is going to signal a huge revolution in he
way systems operate, akin to the information revolution of the
last thirty years and probably more significant than that. A
question, does AI concern itself solely with facts and given
material or can it have an opinion as well ? So much of
refereeing is "in the opinion of the referee"
[/quote]
No, it needs to have a knowledge base to base its intelligence
on, and this is where AI currently can fall a bit flat. It can
see a situation and then look back at its knowledge base to see
what the outcome should be, but if it hasn't happened before it
won't know what to do.
In terms of replacing an AR, it can certainly determine when the
ball was played and whether the player receiving the ball was in
an offside position, we already have that with the
semi-automated VAR used in the World Cup. What it can't do, and
I can't see how it will ever be able to do, is determine whether
an attacker interfered with an opponent.
There's a lot of fervour, and seemingly almost panic, about AI
at the moment across all areas. But the key thing to remember
is it can automate what humans currently do manually, but it
can't implement that automation. Someone, not something, has to
"train" it.
[/quote]
The more it is 'trained' then the more it takes over. All well
and good, however, the outcome could be very worrying for all.
What our younger generation don't seem to understand is more
automation less jobs more unemployment but more profit for the
larger companies. Next question with less people working who
will pay the tax required to pay the benefit system and that
also applies to football officials who wil be out of work
I don't worry because I am well into my 70s, however, AI could
have a really big influence on pensions and benefits in the
future. I suppose the only plus side is that players iwll still
continue to receive exorbitant amounts of money and will still
be paying into the system.
[/quote]
A lot of experts think it will just be the next industrial
revolution. Over time people displaced will just transfer to
different employment. To an extent this has been happening for
years anyway, at my previous company one department reduced from
200 to 5 staff. They for years had been manually processing
paperwork, Microsoft Power Platform let them almost completely
automate that. It is just natural progression, the only
difference is the rate of progression is accelerating.
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