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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: Whistleblower Date: September 2, 2023, 7:25 am
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As I have stated before, I do not know enough about the
technical side of rugby refereeing to give an accurate
assessment of capabilities. However, I can make a judgement
about style and demeanour on the pitch and using this criterion
I do not care for Jaco Peyper. He comes across to me as the
rather typical cross and tetchy caricature of a referee with not
a lot of feeling for the match in front of him. Perhaps that is
mistaken and the authorities clearly regard him very highly.
With England in a bit of a pickle at the moment, if the press
and media are to be believed, then Wayne Barnes must surely be
relishing the distinct possibility of being appointed to the
Final. Still, many a slip 'twixt cup and lip as the adage goes.
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: RCG Date: September 2, 2023, 7:50 am
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"He comes across to me as the rather typical cross and tetchy
caricature of a referee with not a lot of feeling for the match
in front of him"
You are a very good judge of character
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: Whistleblower Date: September 2, 2023, 1:14 pm
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[quote author=RCG link=topic=5131.msg67408#msg67408
date=1693659029]
"He comes across to me as the rather typical cross and tetchy
caricature of a referee with not a lot of feeling for the match
in front of him"
You are a very good judge of character
[/quote]
Thank you. One has to be careful in judging character from
on-field refereeing performances. In the world of football
(Association) I have known referees who looked somewhat dour
when officiating but actually were charming and humorous
personalities, their demeanour being a result of intense
concentration. Others, like John Kirkby of Sheffield from a few
years ago, were an open book. Kirkby's bonhomie and enjoyment
shone through in his performances.
I think a very good guide is how the players are reacting to the
referee. With Peyper there seems to be little rapport and the
players look as though they are being scolded all the time. A
Rugby referee who seems to have an excellent manner on the pitch
is Luke Pearce, the players clearly like and respect him.
Although very different in demeanour, I think Angus Gardner also
comes across very well also and I always had a soft spot for the
one-off Roman Poite.
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: Alfie75 Date: September 7, 2023, 2:53 am
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I can tell you that Jaco Peyper is hugely respected by the
players and managers alike.
He's well liked by all involved and hence why he's been trusted
to his second opening match.
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: BabyRef Date: September 9, 2023, 4:26 pm
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Is there are a list of the Foul Play Review officials? Seems
strange that we don't know who they are given they're making
such big decisions.
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: Rory Stride Date: September 9, 2023, 4:39 pm
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[quote author=BabyRef link=topic=5131.msg67682#msg67682
date=1694294805]
Is there are a list of the Foul Play Review officials? Seems
strange that we don't know who they are given they're making
such big decisions.
[/quote]
TMO'S?
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: BabyRef Date: September 9, 2023, 4:46 pm
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The Foul Play Review Officials are different to the TMOs - they
solely look at potential yellow/red card incidents
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: RCG Date: September 10, 2023, 6:22 am
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I believe it is one of the list of TMOs with one of the other
active officials alongside (usually an AR). I read this so it is
not fully confirmed
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: Alfie75 Date: September 10, 2023, 4:40 pm
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I also read it's another TMO.
So after MD1 - some observations.
Thought Peyper had a controversy free game in the opener (which
is exactly what WR would have wanted). There was a hint of a
forward pass for the NZ second try (I did read that the ball has
a chip in it which tracks this now, so I'll go with the on field
decision).
Thought both Karl and Christophe didn't help themselves at times
with the conversion at the end looking awful.
Decent showings from Brace & Amashukeli in their openers to ease
them in nicely!
Pearce was his usual consistent self and would be happy with his
performance.
Take away the card issues (sent to the bunker), Matthieu Raynal
had a very good game for me (probably the best performance of
the weekend).
The Australians struggled a bit in their matches and wasn't
convinced at all by Angus Gardner (very inconsistent) whilst Ben
Whitehouse seemed to want to avoid anything as TMO (very poor
showing from him today). Nic Berry seemed to rely on a lot of
help.
In what for me was the best game of the opening round of
fixtures, Matt Carley IMO was really inconsistent in his card
management and actually I felt a bit arrogant for his maiden
showing. I didn't like his style at all!
Overall a mixed bag.
The issues were always going to be around how the head on
collisions were going to be handled. This weekend it has been
really inconsistent, I'm ok with the Curry red card (if that's
the standard) but then you need to follow that up with the same
with Kriel in the SA v SCO game (which wasn't even refereed to
the referee and bunker).
Think Joel Judge will have a few words with his team during the
short break.
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Re: Rugby World Cup
By: Whistleblower Date: September 10, 2023, 4:49 pm
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[quote author=Alfie75 link=topic=5131.msg67736#msg67736
date=1694382044]
I also read it's another TMO.
So after MD1 - some observations.
Thought Peyper had a controversy free game in the opener (which
is exactly what WR would have wanted). There was a hint of a
forward pass for the NZ second try (I did read that the ball has
a chip in it which tracks this now, so I'll go with the on field
decision).
Thought both Karl and Christophe didn't help themselves at times
with the conversion at the end looking awful.
Decent showings from Brace & Amashukeli in their openers to ease
them in nicely!
Pearce was his usual consistent self and would be happy with his
performance.
Take away the card issues (sent to the bunker), Matthieu Raynal
had a very good game for me (probably the best performance of
the weekend).
The Australians struggled a bit in their matches and wasn't
convinced at all by Angus Gardner (very inconsistent) whilst Ben
Whitehouse seemed to want to avoid anything as TMO (very poor
showing from him today). Nic Berry seemed to rely on a lot of
help.
In what for me was the best game of the opening round of
fixtures, Matt Carley IMO was really inconsistent in his card
management and actually I felt a bit arrogant for his maiden
showing. I didn't like his style at all!
Overall a mixed bag.
The issues were always going to be around how the head on
collisions were going to be handled. This weekend it has been
really inconsistent, I'm ok with the Curry red card (if that's
the standard) but then you need to follow that up with the same
with Kriel in the SA v SCO game (which wasn't even refereed to
the referee and bunker).
Think Joel Judge will have a few words with his team during the
short break.
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As I have said before I do not have the knowledge to properly
assess a referee's performance in terms of the accuracy of
decision making. However I believe I can at least express my
view as to the manner and demeanour of a referee and how they
relate to the players. This of course is greatly helped by
hearing the referee's conversations and admonishments.
I have only managed to see two matches so far, both today and
for me a huge contrast. I really liked Gardner's style and
manner of officiating. I would go so far as to call it very good
indeed. Carley though I quite different, there is something
about his manner which I find unsympathetic and slightly
imperious. Just my view but I thought Fiji got the rough side of
his decision making.
I very much look forward to hearing more views of correspondents
with more knowledge than I.
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