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       #Post#: 66210--------------------------------------------------
       England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: Leggy
       Date: August 7, 2023, 12:01 pm
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       England vs Nigeria   -   Match 54
       Referee: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
       Assistant referee: Shirley Perello (Honduras)
       Assistant referee: Sandra Ramirez (Mexico)
       Fourth official: Emikar Calderas Barrera (Venezuela)
       Reserve assistant referee: Migdalia Rodríguez Chirino
       (Venezuela)
       Video assistant referee: Armando Villarreal (United States)
       Assistant video assistant referee: Drew Fischer (Canada)
       Offside video assistant referee: Felisha Mariscal (United
       States)
       I have just watched the BBC highlights from this game as it was
       at an inconvenient time for those needing to work and not having
       access to a TV!
       The penalty to England that was over-turned is an odd one.  Is
       the VAR saying to the referee that it was "too soft", or the
       England player went down too easily?  Had it not been given, I
       am sure that nothing would have been said - but for the VAR to
       intervene is quite a big call.
       The other "talking point" is the sending off of the England
       player.  First thing to say is that the correct outcome was
       (eventually) reached.  I am concerned, however, on Melissa
       Borjas' thought processes.  As she blew and cautioned the
       England player; to my mind she can only have:
       ~ Not seen it clearly, reacted and - to some extent - "guessed".
       ~ Seen it clearly and issued the wrong sanction.
       Either way it is quite a significant error.
       I'd welcome thoughts on both incidents from those who saw the
       match in full.
       #Post#: 66214--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: PDMat Shav
       Date: August 7, 2023, 1:07 pm
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       The Nigeria player was holding the England player from the edge
       of the penalty area and gave her a push in the penalty area to
       which she went down with the referee was well placed to see the
       incident and instantly pointed and awarded a penalty kick.
       Then VAR intervened and recommended the referee go to the
       monitor and review it, which she did and changed here decision.
       With regards the sending off which was correct she had issued
       the yellow card and i don't think she actually saw it. I think
       Lucy Bronze was lucky not to be penalised in the penalty area
       late in the game when she charged into the back of her opponent,
       perhaps VAR wasn't brave enough to bring it to the referee's
       attention?
       To be fair overall i thought she had  a good game
       #Post#: 66221--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: August 7, 2023, 2:56 pm
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       Red card she should have seen especially having seen it in real
       time. Not a penalty for me, but there is contact so for me VAR
       shouldn’t have intervened
       #Post#: 66234--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: RefObserver
       Date: August 8, 2023, 2:23 am
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       As above really. I'm surprised the red card incident wasn't seen
       live but definitely a correct decision.
       The penalty was an odd one. My initial reaction was one of
       surprise when given. There is no way that the nudge would cause
       someone to fall forwards so much they subsequently do a forward
       somersault!
       As such, I do not feel that it was worthy of a penalty.
       That said, I feel it is subjective and was again surprised when
       it was overturned on review as there is contact so is it a clear
       and obvious error but think the unnatural fall of the forward
       contributed.
       My gut though is that ultimately the right outcome was achieved,
       I'm just not sure if the use of VAR was within it's remit rather
       than re-refereeing the incident.
       I'm sure however that were it the other end and against England
       we'd all be lauding the excellent use of VAR!
       #Post#: 66244--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: MCPridz
       Date: August 8, 2023, 5:38 am
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       Didn’t see the penalty for England, so can’t comment on that,
       but on the red card as I am not allowed to criticise referees,
       because I just get out on moderated posts, I will say this yes
       the correct decision was made and I knew it was a red as soon as
       play had stopped and was walking but in my view I think James’
       frustrations got the better of her she was marked out the game
       and then the foul on her which led to the red card wasn’t given
       she got frustrated and then the stamp happened had the referee
       give the free kick in her favour then she wouldn’t of been sent
       off just my take on it anyway
       #Post#: 66245--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: Hertsref123
       Date: August 8, 2023, 5:43 am
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       --- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
       >
       > Didn’t see the penalty for England, so can’t comment on that,
       but on the red card as I am not allowed to criticise referees,
       because I just get out on moderated posts, I will say this yes
       the correct decision was made and I knew it was a red as soon as
       play had stopped and was walking but in my view I think James’
       frustrations got the better of her she was marked out the game
       and then the foul on her which led to the red card wasn’t given
       she got frustrated and then the stamp happened had the referee
       give the free kick in her favour then she wouldn’t of been sent
       off just my take on it anyway
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You can criticise referees without calling them biased. Then you
       might not end up with modded posts. Just saying.
       🤷‍♂️
       #Post#: 66250--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: August 8, 2023, 7:24 am
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       It was a red card all day long and I'm surprised it wasn't
       recognised as such immediately.
       It's one thing to mistime a tackle or bring an attacker down to
       stop them scoring but this was frankly rather daft and
       inexcusable. I guess Lauren James had been on the end of some
       verbal or physical provocation but professionalism dictates that
       you have to rise above such things and not allow the provocation
       to have its desired result. Hopefully she will be a wiser and
       more mature player by learning from this episode.
       #Post#: 66253--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: bmb
       Date: August 8, 2023, 9:28 am
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       --- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
       >
       > It was a red card all day long and I'm surprised it wasn't
       recognised as such immediately.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       A lot depends on how/where you are looking.  You might be
       looking right at an incident but if you are looking more upwards
       you will see the head/body but not necessarily the feet, if you
       are looking slightly more downwards then you will see the
       position of the feet but not the head. You can see a push at
       body level without seeing any follow up with what the feet are
       then doing. It's why we are/were all taught about giving
       yourself as wide an angle view as possible - more chance of also
       seeing the whole body because that wider angle also gives you a
       taller angle. Even the slightest tilt of your head can give a
       very different view. Additionally though feet are often also the
       most obscured in terms of viewing. Don't know if that was
       relevant in this case but certainly is in generally speaking
       terms.
       #Post#: 66254--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: August 8, 2023, 11:35 am
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       You make very good points bmb. What I have always found slightly
       problematic is when a caution is given when it is clearly a
       dismissal offence. The referee has obviously seen an incident
       otherwise she would not caution but she hasn't interpreted what
       she has seen correctly. I can quite understand a referee missing
       an incident because of the angle of looking or a player in the
       line of vision but I am less tolerant of a viewing with a
       mistaken interpretation.
       #Post#: 66256--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England vs Nigeria: Melissa Borjas (Honduras)
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: August 8, 2023, 12:18 pm
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       To me it's a prime example of when a referee should be allowed
       to view incident again without first having to make a decision
       "I know something has happened but have not seen it clearly"
       In the good ol' days a referee once asked a player "why did you
       hit him?" "He deserved it" Dismissal
       Referee after admitted he knew something had happened but didn't
       see it. At least now we have VAR 😉
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