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Re: When will officials realise how many foul throws they let
go?
DIR By: nemesis
Date: May 25, 2023, 4:26 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4933.msg64633#msg64633
date=1684962722]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=4933.msg64612#msg64612
date=1684918120]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4933.msg64610#msg64610
date=1684886282]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4933.msg64607#msg64607
date=1684878441]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=4933.msg64603#msg64603
date=1684873349]
> [quote author=highfieldlatic link=topic=4933.msg64601#msg64601
date=1684872786]
> Also, corners where the ball has a distant relationship with
the arc!!! Perhaps the law should require themajority of the
ball should be inside the arc.
> Has any senior referee ever permitted the same positioning of
the ball in respect to the penalty spot?
>
--- End Quote ---
I have seen the ball positioned with just part overhanging the
spot on several occasions this season. It is within the Laws as
they are interpreted these days.
[/quote]
Nothing to do with how they are interpreted, it is how they are
written. For the ball to be in the corner arc it just needs to
be touching the line, just the same a a ball touching the
touchline is still in play. Not really sure what your point is.
[/quote]
Not touching - overhanging!
[/quote]
Oh yes, which is exactly how goal line technology determines a
goal. If one small part of the ball is overhanging the line, it
is not a goal and this applies in every other aspect of the
game, although the human eye would find it very difficult to
judge millimetres in this aspect, similar to so many throws
which are given when the whole of the ball has not crossed the
whole of the line. No doubt the powers that be will be
introducing more technology to rectify that situation at some
point.
The quest for the perfect game goes on relentlessly, it is such
a shame that they can't get rid of the humans who play it and
officiate.
[/quote]
You started this thread though, so tell us what you think was
wrong with the throw based on the current law. That is the key
thing here.
[/quote]
I was not just referring to that one throw, it was a
generalisation as to the number of foul throws which are ignored
at every game. Simple things such as the back foot being lifted
when throws are taken on the move, ball never going behind the
head just thrown from level with the forehead.
As you correctly stated, as the law stands, the one handed throw
is legal because he has two hands on the ball.
It is just another instance of the game being played with
little relevance to the Laws but 'they' say that it makes it
more entertaining.
I disagree. In spite of all the efforts by those running the
game to make the game a better spectacle, this year has seen the
most average goals per game in the PL since its inception,
however, it still only averages 2.83 goals per game, in fact,
three PL seasons are 119, 120 and 122 in the list of average
goals per game in 124 seasons.
Possession is the big thing these days, however, it is still
goals which win games.
Between 1950/51 and 1966/67 every season featured at keast 3
goals per game with the highest average being 3.73, however,
according to modern thinking, football was crap. I suppose that
it must have been because Burnley were Champions of England in
1959/60, a season which averaged 3.50 goals per game, however,
they had no good players.
I stand defeated. No, I'm getting on a bit now so -----I sit
defeated and begin to wonder what constitutes handball, what is
a foul throw, what further changes will IFAB introduce to the
interpretation of TLOG to accommodate those participating at the
highest level etc., etc.
I have recently seen a player cautioned for time wasting when he
requested that his opponent retreated 10 yards before he took a
free kick. The referee would have none of that and booked the
player waiting to take the free kick without even speaking to
the offender. Still, I suppose that it makes the game more
entertaining for those of us who pay to watch.
[/quote]
They had a number of excellent players who I can still remember
today.
#Post#: 64646--------------------------------------------------
Re: When will officials realise how many foul throws they let
go?
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: May 25, 2023, 4:34 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=4933.msg64635#msg64635
date=1684964151]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4933.msg64633#msg64633
date=1684962722]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=4933.msg64612#msg64612
date=1684918120]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4933.msg64610#msg64610
date=1684886282]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4933.msg64607#msg64607
date=1684878441]
> [quote author=Ashington46 link=topic=4933.msg64603#msg64603
date=1684873349]
> [quote author=highfieldlatic link=topic=4933.msg64601#msg64601
date=1684872786]
> Also, corners where the ball has a distant relationship with
the arc!!! Perhaps the law should require themajority of the
ball should be inside the arc.
> Has any senior referee ever permitted the same positioning of
the ball in respect to the penalty spot?
>
--- End Quote ---
I have seen the ball positioned with just part overhanging the
spot on several occasions this season. It is within the Laws as
they are interpreted these days.
[/quote]
Nothing to do with how they are interpreted, it is how they are
written. For the ball to be in the corner arc it just needs to
be touching the line, just the same a a ball touching the
touchline is still in play. Not really sure what your point is.
[/quote]
Not touching - overhanging!
[/quote]
Oh yes, which is exactly how goal line technology determines a
goal. If one small part of the ball is overhanging the line, it
is not a goal and this applies in every other aspect of the
game, although the human eye would find it very difficult to
judge millimetres in this aspect, similar to so many throws
which are given when the whole of the ball has not crossed the
whole of the line. No doubt the powers that be will be
introducing more technology to rectify that situation at some
point.
The quest for the perfect game goes on relentlessly, it is such
a shame that they can't get rid of the humans who play it and
officiate.
[/quote]
You started this thread though, so tell us what you think was
wrong with the throw based on the current law. That is the key
thing here.
[/quote]
I was not just referring to that one throw, it was a
generalisation as to the number of foul throws which are ignored
at every game. Simple things such as the back foot being lifted
when throws are taken on the move, ball never going behind the
head just thrown from level with the forehead.
As you correctly stated, as the law stands, the one handed throw
is legal because he has two hands on the ball.
It is just another instance of the game being played with
little relevance to the Laws but 'they' say that it makes it
more entertaining.
I disagree. In spite of all the efforts by those running the
game to make the game a better spectacle, this year has seen the
most average goals per game in the PL since its inception,
however, it still only averages 2.83 goals per game, in fact,
three PL seasons are 119, 120 and 122 in the list of average
goals per game in 124 seasons.
Possession is the big thing these days, however, it is still
goals which win games.
Between 1950/51 and 1966/67 every season featured at keast 3
goals per game with the highest average being 3.73, however,
according to modern thinking, football was crap. I suppose that
it must have been because Burnley were Champions of England in
1959/60, a season which averaged 3.50 goals per game, however,
they had no good players.
I stand defeated. No, I'm getting on a bit now so -----I sit
defeated and begin to wonder what constitutes handball, what is
a foul throw, what further changes will IFAB introduce to the
interpretation of TLOG to accommodate those participating at the
highest level etc., etc.
I have recently seen a player cautioned for time wasting when he
requested that his opponent retreated 10 yards before he took a
free kick. The referee would have none of that and booked the
player waiting to take the free kick without even speaking to
the offender. Still, I suppose that it makes the game more
entertaining for those of us who pay to watch.
[/quote]
They had a number of excellent players who I can still remember
today.
[/quote]
nemesis, of course they did, along with Ipswich and many other
teams, however, you have to remember that, when you listen to
lots of fans today, good football and smashing footballers
didn't exist until 1992/93.
#Post#: 64663--------------------------------------------------
Re: When will officials realise how many foul throws they let
go?
DIR By: Deanspen
Date: May 25, 2023, 1:14 pm
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The Laws of the game are not some sort of optional “pick and
mix”. If the law is wrong amend or discard it, but if it’s in
the law then at least have the personal integrity to enforce the
letter and spirit of it. Interpretation of the law is a
different point.
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