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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: May 20, 2023, 12:32 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=4929.msg64416#msg64416
date=1684603164]
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4929.msg64405#msg64405
date=1684592834]
> That is an absolutely brilliant on field call to give Villa a
penalty. My whole house watching and the whole of Anfield
thought Konate won the ball but he hadn't. Great work!
>
--- End Quote ---
In my seat at Anfield I and everybody around me knew it was a
penalty and our only complaint was Konate’s poor positioning
which caused him to make a rash challenge.
When did referees start going to the monitor to check offsides?
I must have missed that update.
[/quote]
When it isn't black and white and there has to be a subjective
decision made as to whether the player had interfered with play
or an opponent. Has happened a few times.
[/quote]
Or, as seemingly was the case here, whether a defender has
deflected the ball or made a deliberate play.
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: May 20, 2023, 12:37 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=4929.msg64416#msg64416
date=1684603164]
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4929.msg64405#msg64405
date=1684592834]
> That is an absolutely brilliant on field call to give Villa a
penalty. My whole house watching and the whole of Anfield
thought Konate won the ball but he hadn't. Great work!
>
--- End Quote ---
In my seat at Anfield I and everybody around me knew it was a
penalty and our only complaint was Konate’s poor positioning
which caused him to make a rash challenge.
When did referees start going to the monitor to check offsides?
I must have missed that update.
[/quote]
When it isn't black and white and there has to be a subjective
decision made as to whether the player had interfered with play
or an opponent. Has happened a few times.
[/quote]
As I was at the game I’ll see what the television shows me. I’d
be interested to see what excuse was concocted for the SFP by
Mings.
I hope Mr. Webb is going to instruct his charges to deal with
timewasting properly as well. Not quite as bad as Newcastle but
atrocious nonetheless. The Villa goalkeeper was wasting time
from the start, why wait 76 minutes to apply Law? The blizzard
of late yellows for Villa was pointless-do it earlier.
#Post#: 64425--------------------------------------------------
Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: May 20, 2023, 1:41 pm
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Liverpool vs Villa has seen some dreadful referee performances
in the last few seasons.
Moss @Villa Park Last Season
Attwell @Anfield Last Year
Atkinson and Tierney both had poor performances in 2020 too
Its one of those games like Spurs vs Chelsea and Liverpool vs
Spurs.
I just don't see how Konsa didn't deliberately play it, he
clearly moves his leg
--- Quote from: Scally Bob link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4929.msg64418#msg64418
date=1684603408]
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=4929.msg64416#msg64416
date=1684603164]
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4929.msg64405#msg64405
date=1684592834]
> That is an absolutely brilliant on field call to give Villa a
penalty. My whole house watching and the whole of Anfield
thought Konate won the ball but he hadn't. Great work!
>
--- End Quote ---
In my seat at Anfield I and everybody around me knew it was a
penalty and our only complaint was Konate’s poor positioning
which caused him to make a rash challenge.
When did referees start going to the monitor to check offsides?
I must have missed that update.
[/quote]
When it isn't black and white and there has to be a subjective
decision made as to whether the player had interfered with play
or an opponent. Has happened a few times.
[/quote]
As I was at the game I’ll see what the television shows me. I’d
be interested to see what excuse was concocted for the SFP by
Mings.
I hope Mr. Webb is going to instruct his charges to deal with
timewasting properly as well. Not quite as bad as Newcastle but
atrocious nonetheless. The Villa goalkeeper was wasting time
from the start, why wait 76 minutes to apply Law? The blizzard
of late yellows for Villa was pointless-do it earlier.
[/quote]
They Yellow Card for Martinez was pointless. He was never going
to get a second yellow no longer how much time he took.
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: Hertsref123
Date: May 20, 2023, 2:15 pm
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> Liverpool vs Villa has seen some dreadful referee performances
in the last few seasons.
>
> Moss @Villa Park Last Season
> Attwell @Anfield Last Year
> Atkinson and Tierney both had poor performances in 2020 too
>
> Its one of those games like Spurs vs Chelsea and Liverpool vs
Spurs.
>
>
> I just don't see how Konsa didn't deliberately play it, he
clearly moves his leg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=4929.msg64420#msg64420
date=1684604237]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4929.msg64418#msg64418
date=1684603408]
> [quote author=Scally Bob link=topic=4929.msg64416#msg64416
date=1684603164]
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4929.msg64405#msg64405
date=1684592834]
> That is an absolutely brilliant on field call to give Villa a
penalty. My whole house watching and the whole of Anfield
thought Konate won the ball but he hadn't. Great work!
>
--- End Quote ---
In my seat at Anfield I and everybody around me knew it was a
penalty and our only complaint was Konate’s poor positioning
which caused him to make a rash challenge.
When did referees start going to the monitor to check offsides?
I must have missed that update.
[/quote]
When it isn't black and white and there has to be a subjective
decision made as to whether the player had interfered with play
or an opponent. Has happened a few times.
[/quote]
As I was at the game I’ll see what the television shows me. I’d
be interested to see what excuse was concocted for the SFP by
Mings.
I hope Mr. Webb is going to instruct his charges to deal with
timewasting properly as well. Not quite as bad as Newcastle but
atrocious nonetheless. The Villa goalkeeper was wasting time
from the start, why wait 76 minutes to apply Law? The blizzard
of late yellows for Villa was pointless-do it earlier.
[/quote]
They Yellow Card for Martinez was pointless. He was never going
to get a second yellow no longer how much time he took.
[/quote]
He’d still have been criticised for not booking him though.
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: Claretman
Date: May 20, 2023, 4:31 pm
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Having watched brief highlights Brooks made a brilliant decision
to give Villa a penalty in the first half, great positioning.
I was surprised Mings didnt see red for his challenge on Gakpo,
can only think lack of force in the challenge was the team ref
reasoning.
Having watched Brooks referee recently, he like many referees
nowadays tend to let quite a bit go and allow the game to flow.
Brooks has been getting good appointments of recent and well
deserved.
As for the time wasting and game management aspects which have
crept in to the Villa game plan since Emery took over, i am not
in favour of.
Martinez must be the most cautioned player for time wasting this
season in the premier league. Perhaps Brooks should have started
cautioning earlier for delaying restarts as Anthony Taylor did
towards the end of the first half in the Nottm F v Arsenal game.
I guess red tinted glasses maybe a reason for blaming team ref
for Liverpool not winning today.
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: TVOS
Date: May 20, 2023, 5:07 pm
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> Excellent decision on the penalty, which he only spotted
because he made a dynamic sprint into a wide position to get a
good view.
>
> From then on he spent the rest of the game making every
attempt to annoy absolutely everyone in the ground. First 10
minutes everything was a free kick then all of a sudden nothing
was. Looked like a missed RC for Mings for a dangerous and also
last man tackle. Seen penalties given for the one waved away on
henderson.
>
> The stream I am on, showed the VAR officials during the check,
Wade Smith was scrolling through pages of a book, surely not the
laws?
>
> Brooks is lucky Klopp isn't on the touchline
>
--- End Quote ---
Klopp is lucky he's not off the touchline for much longer than
he is.
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: May 20, 2023, 5:52 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> Having watched brief highlights Brooks made a brilliant
decision to give Villa a penalty in the first half, great
positioning.
> I was surprised Mings didnt see red for his challenge on
Gakpo, can only think lack of force in the challenge was the
team ref reasoning.
> Having watched Brooks referee recently, he like many referees
nowadays tend to let quite a bit go and allow the game to flow.
> Brooks has been getting good appointments of recent and well
deserved.
> As for the time wasting and game management aspects which have
crept in to the Villa game plan since Emery took over, i am not
in favour of.
> Martinez must be the most cautioned player for time wasting
this season in the premier league. Perhaps Brooks should have
started cautioning earlier for delaying restarts as Anthony
Taylor did towards the end of the first half in the Nottm F v
Arsenal game.
> I guess red tinted glasses maybe a reason for blaming team ref
for Liverpool not winning today.
>
--- End Quote ---
Liverpool lacked rhythm today but a large part of that was the
referee’s failure to apply Law regarding delaying restarts and
his failure to distinguish between injury and gamesmanship. Had
Liverpool been playing against ten men for most of the game as
they ought to have been the outcome may have been different.
Liverpool didn’t play that well but the referee today was weak.
He missed an obvious red for SFP (as did the VAR) and allowed
persistent timewasting to go unpunished until his sanctions were
meaningless.
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: May 20, 2023, 7:38 pm
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One could ask why Konate didn't get a RC on the Villa penalty as
he got nowhere near to playing the ball.
Also if a player is suspended he can play no part in the game so
why is Klopp allowed to sit in the stand giving instructions?
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: cwh
Date: May 20, 2023, 10:39 pm
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Because he appears to do anything he likes with complete
disregard to anyone else (although I do not know the regulations
regarding this) - he is, in my opinion, the most unpleasant,
arrogant person,I have seen recently involved in Premiership
football at the moment (although of course I do not know him
personally) - this is how he 'comes over' to many people - not a
very good 'role model' to present
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Re: J BROOKS: LIVERPOOL V VILLA
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: May 21, 2023, 3:48 am
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Konsa clearly moves his leg to play the ball. What’s deliberate
if that isn’t? How is that considered accidental but the
defenders actions in goal scored by Salah vs Wolves in the FA
Cup in January considered deliberate?
It definitely isn’t a clear and obvious error.
Yet again VAR looking for reasons to Dissalow a goal, yet in the
first half they where finding any reason not to intervene
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