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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: May 2, 2023, 4:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
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> A very good piece in today's Times by Henry Winter about the
subject entitled " More transparency needed, Jurgen, not
trolling and toxicity " though he rather ungenerously calls
Tierney "a 6/10 referee " Winter makes the excellent point that
Howard Webb is prepared to defend his referees and his public
statement that nothing in the recorded conversation suggested
any unprofessionalism on Tierney's part is most welcome. Winter
also analyses Tierney's officiating at recent matches involving
Liverpool and comprehensively shows that any accusation of
unfair treatment bears no scrutiny whatsoever.
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>
>
> My view is that Klopp has rather shown himself up in this
incident, what my erstwhile clerk would have called a silly
twit, or something like that !
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree on the second point, it’s making things worse.
Agree with Henry Winter on Tierney being 6/10 he really is quite
average
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: May 2, 2023, 10:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> A very good piece in today's Times by Henry Winter about the
subject entitled " More transparency needed, Jurgen, not
trolling and toxicity " though he rather ungenerously calls
Tierney "a 6/10 referee " Winter makes the excellent point that
Howard Webb is prepared to defend his referees and his public
statement that nothing in the recorded conversation suggested
any unprofessionalism on Tierney's part is most welcome. Winter
also analyses Tierney's officiating at recent matches involving
Liverpool and comprehensively shows that any accusation of
unfair treatment bears no scrutiny whatsoever.
>
> My view is that Klopp has rather shown himself up in this
incident, what my erstwhile clerk would have called a silly
twit, or something like that !
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree it's good that Webb is prepared to stand up for
referees, although Rory Smith did make the point on 5 Live that
the PGMOL releasing a statement is perhaps not the most
independent process - he suggested it would be a bit like the
Tories investigating parties at Downing Street. I do think it
would be good if they released the full audio, to help with
transparency.
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: TillysDad
Date: May 3, 2023, 2:10 am
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I don’t think they could release it until after the case has
been heard by the FA
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: May 3, 2023, 5:08 am
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Lots of this article is absolutely correct
HTML https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/paul-tierney-refereeing-liverpool?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter<br
/>
Yes its from a biased angle but it backs up the points liverpool
fans have been saying about Tierney and Atkinson for years. Yes
all teams have a referee but Chelsea have had Taylor twice all
season, Oliver has done City twice. Liverpool have had Tierney 7
times !!!
Frankly ridiculous. A referee doing almost a quarter of a teams
games throughout the season is having a large impact on their
final position. Especially when you include games he has been
VAR on, and all 50/50 decisions go against.
Liverpool are so far behind other top teams in terms of big
decisions as highlighted in the article. Differential treatment
occurs with Salah getting nothing (two clear fouls missed on
Salah have led to both of Klopp's outbursts this season)
compared to Grealish who gets a penalty for being breathed on.
#Post#: 63607--------------------------------------------------
Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: ajb95
Date: May 3, 2023, 7:53 am
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> Lots of this article is absolutely correct
HTML https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/paul-tierney-refereeing-liverpool?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
>
> Yes its from a biased angle but it backs up the points
liverpool fans have been saying about Tierney and Atkinson for
years. Yes all teams have a referee but Chelsea have had Taylor
twice all season, Oliver has done City twice. Liverpool have had
Tierney 7 times !!!
>
> Frankly ridiculous. A referee doing almost a quarter of a
teams games throughout the season is having a large impact on
their final position. Especially when you include games he has
been VAR on, and all 50/50 decisions go against.
>
--- End Quote ---
It’s not tierneys fault he has been appointed 7 times that is
the PL. and it is quite ridiculous when nearly half of
Liverpool’s games this season have been referees by 1/6th of the
PL referee list
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: AG1983
Date: May 3, 2023, 8:04 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=jacksamuel21 link=topic=4850.msg63601#msg63601
date=1683108499]
> Lots of this article is absolutely correct
HTML https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/paul-tierney-refereeing-liverpool?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
>
> Yes its from a biased angle but it backs up the points
liverpool fans have been saying about Tierney and Atkinson for
years. Yes all teams have a referee but Chelsea have had Taylor
twice all season, Oliver has done City twice. Liverpool have had
Tierney 7 times !!!
>
> Frankly ridiculous. A referee doing almost a quarter of a
teams games throughout the season is having a large impact on
their final position. Especially when you include games he has
been VAR on, and all 50/50 decisions go against.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not helped by the number of referees who can't referee the
Merseyside clubs - Jones, Bankes, Gillett
It’s not tierneys fault he has been appointed 7 times that is
the PL. and it is quite ridiculous when nearly half of
Liverpool’s games this season have been referees by 1/6th of the
PL referee list
[/quote]
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: May 3, 2023, 8:42 am
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--- Quote from: AG1983 link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=4850.msg63607#msg63607
date=1683118400]
> [quote author=jacksamuel21 link=topic=4850.msg63601#msg63601
date=1683108499]
> Lots of this article is absolutely correct
HTML https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/paul-tierney-refereeing-liverpool?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
>
> Yes its from a biased angle but it backs up the points
liverpool fans have been saying about Tierney and Atkinson for
years. Yes all teams have a referee but Chelsea have had Taylor
twice all season, Oliver has done City twice. Liverpool have had
Tierney 7 times !!!
>
> Frankly ridiculous. A referee doing almost a quarter of a
teams games throughout the season is having a large impact on
their final position. Especially when you include games he has
been VAR on, and all 50/50 decisions go against.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not helped by the number of referees who can't referee the
Merseyside clubs - Jones, Bankes, Gillett
It’s not tierneys fault he has been appointed 7 times that is
the PL. and it is quite ridiculous when nearly half of
Liverpool’s games this season have been referees by 1/6th of the
PL referee list
[/quote]
[/quote]
Salisbury doesn't appear to be able to either
Strange how 4 referees support Liverpool or Everton yet none Man
United, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man City
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: jad
Date: May 3, 2023, 8:50 am
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The fundamental problem is that there are simply not enough
referees in SG1 to provide adequate coverage, especially when
officials are unavailable for one reason or another. I would
hope that one of Howard Webb's priorities is to secure a
significant increase in the number of referees at this level, so
as to allow for a greater regularity in the distribution of
appointments.
#Post#: 63612--------------------------------------------------
Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: May 3, 2023, 9:03 am
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Everton are in the same situation with number of officials but
have had Tierney only once
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Re: P TIERNEY: LIV V TOT
DIR By: TVOS
Date: May 3, 2023, 9:38 am
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> Lots of this article is absolutely correct
HTML https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/paul-tierney-refereeing-liverpool?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
>
> Yes its from a biased angle but it backs up the points
liverpool fans have been saying about Tierney and Atkinson for
years. Yes all teams have a referee but Chelsea have had Taylor
twice all season, Oliver has done City twice. Liverpool have had
Tierney 7 times !!!
>
> Frankly ridiculous. A referee doing almost a quarter of a
teams games throughout the season is having a large impact on
their final position. Especially when you include games he has
been VAR on, and all 50/50 decisions go against.
>
> Liverpool are so far behind other top teams in terms of big
decisions as highlighted in the article. Differential treatment
occurs with Salah getting nothing (two clear fouls missed on
Salah have led to both of Klopp's outbursts this season)
compared to Grealish who gets a penalty for being breathed on.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's an interesting article, but does nothing to dispel the
'victim mentality' often thrown out at Liverpool fans.
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