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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: April 8, 2023, 6:39 pm
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Same old Tottenham always edited, but in all serious Brighton
should of had 2 extra goals and 2 stonewall penalties today,
that must be up there with one of the worse ref and Var
performances this season, also no idea why Kav changed his mind
at Brentford either that wasn’t a penalty, looks like Attwell
and Salisbury may be doing a few weeks at minimum championship
level, never rated Attwell either after his atrocious
performance when we played city last season, god forbid he is
put on that game in a few weeks time
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 9, 2023, 2:07 am
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First penalty is inexcusable, OFR should be called. 2nd one
Attwell’s view looks to be blocked but he isn’t moving into a
position where you can see it. Considering the amount of
penalties given for holding like that over the last few years
I’m staggered a penalty wasn’t awarded by VAR
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 9, 2023, 3:56 am
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--- Quote from: tef link ---
>
> The Mitoma handball disallowed goal looked clear cut in real
time, so understandable why Cann would flag, but it’s
desperately unlucky when looking at the replay.
>
> The non-penalty of Mitoma is just dreadful from both Attwell
and VAR, a real shocker and inexplicable. The pull back on Dunk
should by definition by a penalty too but we all know PGMOL
apply different rules for pulling in the box
>
--- End Quote ---
The Mitoma "handball" would have been given (if spotted) 100
times out of 100 in the days before they messed with the
Handball part of Law 12. Mitoma used his arm to control the
ball. The point at which the ball impacted his body may or may
not have been above the so-called T-shirt line but this is very
much as a case of: "If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig
and squeaks like a pig, then it is most certainly a pig."
Darren Cann had a clear view (despite the nonsense comment on
MOTD) and was right to flag and (morally - if not purely
legally) the right decision was reached.
This is another example of how continuously messing with Law has
made it into an ass. We should have left well alone and relied
on the judgements of the match officials. This endless search
for clarity where it simply cannot exist is ruining the game and
many people simply cannot articulate what is / is a handball
offence anymore.
Same with offside.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 9, 2023, 4:03 am
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For the first one Darren Cann flagged for handling. Once he has
done that VAR can only recommend a review if they think there
was a clear and obvious error, and because it is pretty much
impossible to tell where it hit him they cannot get involved.
Had Cann not flagged I'm pretty sure the goal would have stood.
For the second one there is one angle where it looked like it
definitely hit Mac Allister's arm, if VAR see that they have to
disallow the goal no matter how accidental it was.
I think both Brighton penalty appeals were fouls, but I suspect
if you asked Howard Webb he would say they were well below the
clear and obvious threshold and therefore there should be no VAR
involvement. Of course, the penalty given to Wolves against
Newcastle on the same day contradicts this, but I suspect it
will be the officials in that game that get a telling off rather
than Attwell and his team.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: takethejag
Date: April 9, 2023, 4:43 am
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Some pretty inexplainable decisions and no wonder Keith Hackett
has fuelled a fire on Twitter which has descended into replies
ranging from Attwell's suspension/sacking to some sort of PL/FA
top six bias against Brighton. On these levels, I just wish
Fulham had the same decision making in both games against West
Ham this season as three of West Ham goals would've been
disallowed for handball.
Mitoma, massively unlucky and not handball for me. Darren Cann
has made a mistake in flagging which has mostly taken away the
power of VAR to overrule as an obvious error
Mitoma again, an obvious foul that was in front of the referee
and not reviewed, a definite clear and obvious error
Dunk, like Mitrovic at Old Trafford had hands in his back and
shirt pulled right in front of the ref, nothing given and no
review
Welbeck's disallowed goal was also very harsh, as I couldn't see
a handball on the slomo replay.
Stellini being given a red card when he literally the only one
not involved. Unless something was said/seen off-cam I can see
this being overturned
This all begs the question, was VAR actually better before
Howard Webb's tweaks?
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: TillysDad
Date: April 9, 2023, 5:05 am
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1st penalty shout why did the Brighton player go down holding
his shin when his foot was stepped on?
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: takethejag
Date: April 9, 2023, 5:17 am
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--- Quote from: TillysDad link ---
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> 1st penalty shout why did the Brighton player go down holding
his shin when his foot was stepped on?
>
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In real-time I thought he went down theatrically and I wouldn't
have given it, but VAR should have stepped in
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: April 9, 2023, 5:30 am
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PGMOL have admitted that Brighton should have had a penalty.
Begs the question as to why it was not given though.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 9, 2023, 7:21 am
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
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> PGMOL have admitted that Brighton should have had a penalty.
Begs the question as to why it was not given though.
>
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Yes, being reported that Howard Webb has phoned Brighton
officials to apologise. Not clear whether it was for the foul
on Mitoma, the shirt pull, or both that he has told them were
wrong.
He's going to be getting thoroughly fed up of having to call
clubs to apologise for VAR errors. He will be very frustrated
that on the same day he has one review recommended for a
possible foul, but one that was a so very unobvious error that
it took three minutes watching the football to send the referee
to the monitor, and another that was way more obvious of an
error but where the check was completed within seconds with no
review recommended.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: April 9, 2023, 7:27 am
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It seems Howard Webb might have set the bar for Clear and
Obvious too high. It still feels like the mentality of VARs is
more to look for reasons to try and justify not intervening
rather than stepping in when necessary.
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