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       Re: Stephen martin
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: February 12, 2019, 2:46 am
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       Indeed bmb, John Martin is a real gentleman with a delightful
       courtesy to his manner. He hails from Four Marks near Alton in
       Hants.
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       Re: Stephen martin
   DIR By: reflector
       Date: February 12, 2019, 2:58 am
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       > Indeed bmb, John Martin is a real gentleman with a delightful
       courtesy to his manner. He hails from Four Marks near Alton in
       Hants.
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       I'm surprised he achieved as much as he did with such poor
       marks.
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       Re: Stephen martin
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: February 12, 2019, 10:25 am
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       John was a valued member of the local RA when he lived in
       Croydon. No airs and graces about him although it was obvious
       that he was destined for the top, and I had the pleasure of
       lining to him several times before he became a FL ref. With
       Burtenshaw, he was one of the fittest men on the FL list. I had
       expected to see him in charge of an FA Cup Final, perhaps 1988
       or even 1990 after he received an extension to service beyond
       the normal retirement age, but it was not to be, and the 1990
       League Cup Final was the pinnacle of his career.
       Medstead & Four Marks - a station on the Mid Hants 'Watercress'
       preserved railway and currently the highest operational railway
       station in Southern England. But then you probably knew that
       already  ;D
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       Re: Stephen martin
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: February 12, 2019, 10:46 am
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       I know nothing about railways AT. You are very right in saying
       that John Martin was unlucky not to get an FA Cup Final. It
       surprised quite a few people in the game. He had the reputation
       of being strict but fair and I don't think all the clubs warmed
       to his style. Whether that had any bearing on the matter I do
       not know.
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       Re: Stephen martin
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: February 12, 2019, 11:27 am
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       --- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
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       > I know nothing about railways AT. You are very right in saying
       that John Martin was unlucky not to get an FA Cup Final. It
       surprised quite a few people in the game. He had the reputation
       of being strict but fair and I don't think all the clubs warmed
       to his style. Whether that had any bearing on the matter I do
       not know.
       >
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       I think it probably did. His decision to award Everton a late
       free kick in the 1984 semi final when underdogs Luton were
       leading 1-0 was pedantic to put it mildly (think Dienst in the
       last minute of normal time of the 1966 World Cup Final), and
       Everton went on to win 2-1 and the Final v Watford 2-0. One poor
       decision doesn't make a poor ref but his strict interpretation
       of the laws did not help in this case.
       Talking of the 1966 World Cup Final, RIP Gordon Banks, surely
       the best keeper England have had in modern times.
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