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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 21, 2023, 3:36 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
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> I was chastised on BBC Have your say for calling the official
with the flag the assistant referee and not by the correct term
of referee's assistant.😀
>
>
> I am sure my primary school headmaster the late Mr G.D Green
from Sunderland who ran the line in Football League fixtures in
the fifties and sixties would have been the first to correct me.
>
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Assistant referee, referee's assistant; " either either,
neither neither, let's call the whole thing off " and go back to
calling them linos.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: Leggy
Date: March 21, 2023, 6:09 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
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> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=4695.msg61806#msg61806
date=1679342745]
> I was chastised on BBC Have your say for calling the official
with the flag the assistant referee and not by the correct term
of referee's assistant.😀
>
>
> I am sure my primary school headmaster the late Mr G.D Green
from Sunderland who ran the line in Football League fixtures in
the fifties and sixties would have been the first to correct me.
>
--- End Quote ---
Assistant referee, referee's assistant; " either either,
neither neither, let's call the whole thing off " and go back to
calling them linos.
[/quote]
I certainly agree we could / can / should call them Linos, but
Assistant Referee is the correct term, according to Law 6.
#Post#: 61838--------------------------------------------------
Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 21, 2023, 9:39 am
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I think when the term was first employed it was referee's
assistant but as everyone soon started transposing this to
assistant referee the latter became adopted by usage.
As for Scott Oldham, I shall have the opportunity to see him for
the first time at Charlton on Saturday.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: Leggy
Date: March 21, 2023, 12:40 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> I think when the term was first employed it was referee's
assistant but as everyone soon started transposing this to
assistant referee the latter became adopted by usage.
>
> As for Scott Oldham, I shall have the opportunity to see him
for the first time at Charlton on Saturday.
>
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I think (so could be wrong) that Assistant Referee has always
been the correct "title". When the job title changed from
Linesman, some of our well paid (but no so well informed)
commentators and pundits transposed the words and the term
"Referee's Assistant" gained some currency.
I do believe that there is a significant difference in the
respective meanings:
Assistant Referee / manager / prime minister / surgeon = a
person who is junior to the main job holder, but one capable of
stepping in if needed.
Referee's / manager's / prime minister's / surgeon's Assistant =
a person in a support / administrative role who enable the main
job holder to focus on the job in hand, but not capable of
stepping in if needed.
The two people carrying flags are certainly Assistant Referees.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 21, 2023, 2:21 pm
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Except I wonder are they ? Now there is specialism for the roles
of referee and AR I think a good case could be made for saying
that the persons with the flags are not referees but following a
different craft. If a referee goes down injured it isn't one of
the ARs who steps into the role but the 4th Official. So, if
anything they are Referee's Assistants but much better to be
given their own style, title and dignity of Linos or
Linespersons.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: ACTref
Date: March 21, 2023, 10:08 pm
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AR, RA, Linos? May I throw in the alternative term of 'Hanky
Wavers' some refer to them as!
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
DIR By: Leggy
Date: March 22, 2023, 3:37 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> Except I wonder are they ? Now there is specialism for the
roles of referee and AR I think a good case could be made for
saying that the persons with the flags are not referees but
following a different craft. If a referee goes down injured it
isn't one of the ARs who steps into the role but the 4th
Official. So, if anything they are Referee's Assistants but much
better to be given their own style, title and dignity of Linos
or Linespersons.
>
--- End Quote ---
At the top level, I would agree with you that their role is a
"lining" specialism.
At most levels of the game (where the players are fortunate
enough to have three match officials), the senior AR would take
over in case of need.
Maybe we should call the specialists: Professional Linos and
the remainder Assistant Referees. Better suggested titles for
the specialists welcomed!
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