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#Post#: 4070--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 13, 2019, 11:19 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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> [quote author=bmb link=topic=469.msg4049#msg4049
date=1547351551]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=469.msg4048#msg4048
date=1547337922]
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> Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
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He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late
teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref
training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to
Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of
the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours
than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am -
oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands
who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and
a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed
to the norm.
Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very
serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage
very close to being forced to retire because of it. The surgery
was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back &
always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances
because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it. I
suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine
is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances
due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35
miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
[/quote]
I hear what you're saying bmb but I certainly do not believe
Lee's accepted back problems could be used as an excuse to send
him just short distances to referee. Presumably Newcastle would
be off limits as well on this basis. And has he not travelled
abroad as part of a six-man team in European competitions? I can
understand refs being eased back into things after serious
injury, and we were pleased to see Lee at Gresty Road when he
first returned from surgery, but that should be about it.
[/quote]
I know on some long journeys they will fly as opposed to drive &
LP lives in easy reach of both Southampton & Bournemouth
airports. I would actually have assumed for this he would have
flown Southampton to Newcastle unless no internal flights were
available. Clatts would fly down to Southampton when he had
games there or at Bournemouth as an example.
LP stepped down from FIFA early in part due to the difficulty
with the travelling. I can't remember if he did any games abroad
post surgery or not but a plane journey is far different to an 8
hour drive. I travel to Hungary regularly, as you all know, I
can't do the drive to Luton any more, I have to book an airport
car service but I'm fine sat on a plane for 2.5hrs. The
difference being my right leg is not held in the exact same
position like on the accelerator for x hours & I can shift
position regularly unlike driving a car.
I certainly accept that I may well be over judging his
difficulties on the basis he had virtually the same back injury
I have (albeit far less advanced than mine hence why he was able
to have surgery & I'm not!) so tend to judge it from how it is
from the very much advanced stage! He certainly recovered well
enough post surgery to be able to pass his fitness test
comfortably & be able to run about on a football pitch for 90
mins, he'd not still be refereeing if he hadn't have. I'm
pretty sure a close eye will be kept on him medically & the SG
refs regularly do the fitness test across the season (I think it
is 3 or 4 times in total including the pre-season one in July)
and he is obviously fit enough to keep passing them.
#Post#: 4071--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: January 13, 2019, 12:42 pm
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Did Lee Probert have a bad day or not? It appears that the
contentious decisions mentioned at the top of the thread have
now either been justified or there is a sufficient debate to
allow him the scope to have made the decision(s) he has?
#Post#: 4076--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: yfc54
Date: January 13, 2019, 1:44 pm
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Did he have a bad day? He's certainly had better. I'll start off
with the Chris Maguire sending off. He didn't 'stamp' on the
player but could have made a bit more of an effort to avoid
treading on him so I had no problem with him being red carded
but the Luton player who was sent off had been at it all game,
constantly leading with his elbow so he should have been
punished much earlier. There was actually a very similar
incident minutes after he'd gone off but Lee Probert issued a
yellow card. In my opinion he bottled it and i know he's got a
laid back style but yesterday it did give an impression of
arrogance.
The penalty award seemed very debatable and there was one other
absolutely mystifying decision after a Luton corner bounced on
the top of the bar and out of play for what we expected to be a
goal kick. A corner was awarded and this just seemed to fall in
line with what was a very mixed performance. As I said earlier
Lee Probert has certainly had better days than this and none of
us can say we perform at 100% all of the time but what I can say
is that any sympathy I had for him when he had to caution the
Leicester player for taking his shirt off in the match following
their chairman's unfortunate accident totally disappeared
yesterday.
#Post#: 4079--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: AFAref
Date: January 13, 2019, 2:41 pm
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I've always found Mr Probert to have an arrogance and swagger on
any game I have watched him in.
Never met the guy. Maybe it's his referee persona?
#Post#: 4106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: January 14, 2019, 11:16 am
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> Out of the 3 major decisions shown on the highlights 1 was
nailed on, 1 couldnt be seen and 1 seemed unwarranted.
> The Sunderland red card, described perfectly above as
hopscotch on his chest, was definitely a red.
> The Luton red card certainly was claimed by Sunderland players
so I will trust that Probert had the angle to see and dismissed
for violent conduct.
> To me the most contentious issue is the penalty, just did not
look like it. The player involved never appealed, no one near
the incident reacted. Just not sure what Lee has seen
>
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The penalty decision was debatable at best but he missed a clear
foul on Maguire in the buildup
HTML https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2019/january/luton-town/highlights-v--luton-town<br
/>About 3:40.
He was terribly inconsistent with his decisions throughout the
game.
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 14, 2019, 11:35 am
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--- Quote from: AFAref link ---
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> I've always found Mr Probert to have an arrogance and swagger
on any game I have watched him in.
>
> Never met the guy. Maybe it's his referee persona?
>
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I've probably met him 20-30 times over the years, as he's fairly
local he does a few of our pre-season friendlies. He's always
been pretty chatty and pleasant with myself & bmb jr. He was
referee when bmb jr was mascot one time, jr was about 3 or 4 &
having overheard him saying he wanted to go and see the referees
dressing room (and being told no it was off limits) on their
little pre-match tour, took hold of jr & took him into there to
"meet the team". Jr came out full of smiles and munching on a
bar of chocolate! I have a great photo somewhere of jr leaving
the tunnel with him at that match, it turned out to be his last
game on the FL before his promotion to the SG. I do know others
who have described him as arrogant but if he does have that side
to him, it's not one I have personally seen.
#Post#: 4121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: yfc54
Date: January 14, 2019, 1:38 pm
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--- Quote from: Joecphillips link ---
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> [quote author=RCG link=topic=469.msg4052#msg4052
date=1547371168]
> Out of the 3 major decisions shown on the highlights 1 was
nailed on, 1 couldnt be seen and 1 seemed unwarranted.
> The Sunderland red card, described perfectly above as
hopscotch on his chest, was definitely a red.
> The Luton red card certainly was claimed by Sunderland players
so I will trust that Probert had the angle to see and dismissed
for violent conduct.
> To me the most contentious issue is the penalty, just did not
look like it. The player involved never appealed, no one near
the incident reacted. Just not sure what Lee has seen
>
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The penalty decision was debatable at best but he missed a clear
foul on Maguire in the buildup
HTML https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2019/january/luton-town/highlights-v--luton-town<br
/>About 3:40.
He was terribly inconsistent with his decisions throughout the
game.
[/quote]
The penalty was even more debatable due to the fact he gave it
for a foul and the Luton players were actually appealing for a
hand ball.
#Post#: 4155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: robbieg
Date: January 15, 2019, 12:35 pm
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…………………....and the red card given to Sunderland player Chris
Maguire has been overturned.
,.
#Post#: 4165--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: flipmode
Date: January 15, 2019, 8:00 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=AFAref link=topic=469.msg4079#msg4079
date=1547412077]
> I've always found Mr Probert to have an arrogance and swagger
on any game I have watched him in.
>
> Never met the guy. Maybe it's his referee persona?
>
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I've probably met him 20-30 times over the years, as he's fairly
local he does a few of our pre-season friendlies. He's always
been pretty chatty and pleasant with myself & bmb jr. He was
referee when bmb jr was mascot one time, jr was about 3 or 4 &
having overheard him saying he wanted to go and see the referees
dressing room (and being told no it was off limits) on their
little pre-match tour, took hold of jr & took him into there to
"meet the team". Jr came out full of smiles and munching on a
bar of chocolate! I have a great photo somewhere of jr leaving
the tunnel with him at that match, it turned out to be his last
game on the FL before his promotion to the SG. I do know others
who have described him as arrogant but if he does have that side
to him, it's not one I have personally seen.
[/quote]
Aren't all Southeners arrogant? [emoji41][emoji13]
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: Boz
Date: January 16, 2019, 1:33 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
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> …………………....and the red card given to Sunderland player Chris
Maguire has been overturned.
> ,.
>
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Surprising.
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