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#Post#: 4045--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: robbieg
Date: January 12, 2019, 5:33 pm
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>
> I agree, that if this was the instance (highlights didn't
show), the Red Card should be awarded first in an ideal world.
>
> However having been in the position where I knew exactly the
player I was sending off, but couldn't see the number of a
player I was going to caution, I have cautioned first and then
sent the other player off (and on more than one occasion too!)
>
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Fair comment.
Much respect to you for the clarity.
#Post#: 4046--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: Boz
Date: January 12, 2019, 5:55 pm
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I've taken a look at the highlights. It's not that easy to see
the Luton red card incident clearly from them, though Mr Probert
had his red card out quickly, even though some distance from the
incident and appeared confident in his decision. Don't think
there can be much argument over the RC for Maguire at the end.
It's not possible to assess Mr Probert's overall performance on
a couple of minutes, but it's debatable whether this fixture
needed a SG1 official in charge. If it did, might have been
better to assign a referee who didn't have to travel half the
country to get to it.
#Post#: 4048--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: robbieg
Date: January 12, 2019, 6:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Boz link ---
>
> I've taken a look at the highlights. It's not that easy to see
the Luton red card incident clearly from them, though Mr Probert
had his red card out quickly, even though some distance from the
incident and appeared confident in his decision. Don't think
there can be much argument over the RC for Maguire at the end.
>
> It's not possible to assess Mr Probert's overall performance
on a couple of minutes, but it's debatable whether this fixture
needed a SG1 official in charge. If it did, might have been
better to assign a referee who didn't have to travel half the
country to get to it.
>
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Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
#Post#: 4049--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 12, 2019, 9:52 pm
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
>
>
> Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
>
--- End Quote ---
He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late
teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref
training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to
Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of
the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours
than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am -
oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands
who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and
a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed
to the norm.
Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very
serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage
very close to being forced to retire because of it. The surgery
was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back &
always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances
because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it. I
suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine
is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances
due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35
miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
#Post#: 4052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 13, 2019, 3:19 am
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Out of the 3 major decisions shown on the highlights 1 was
nailed on, 1 couldnt be seen and 1 seemed unwarranted.
The Sunderland red card, described perfectly above as hopscotch
on his chest, was definitely a red.
The Luton red card certainly was claimed by Sunderland players
so I will trust that Probert had the angle to see and dismissed
for violent conduct.
To me the most contentious issue is the penalty, just did not
look like it. The player involved never appealed, no one near
the incident reacted. Just not sure what Lee has seen
#Post#: 4053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: robbieg
Date: January 13, 2019, 3:50 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=469.msg4048#msg4048
date=1547337922]
>
> Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
>
--- End Quote ---
He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late
teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref
training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to
Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of
the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours
than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am -
oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands
who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and
a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed
to the norm.
Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very
serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage
very close to being forced to retire because of it. The surgery
was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back &
always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances
because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it. I
suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine
is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances
due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35
miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
[/quote]
I knew he had been missing injured for a while and it was back
issues, but I didn't realise to what extent it had affected him,
and this being the case then it is understandable, and very well
explained bmb.
To be honest [ and PLEASE I USE THIS WORD AS A COMPLIMENT] LPs
"languid" and easy going style on the field is likeable and over
many years I cannot remember very many controversies when he has
reffed my side , but it seemed like yesterday he just didn't
look himself, with one press report saying he had [ and i quote]
" lost control" at the start of the second half.As an individual
I didn't think that was a fair comment at all.
In my own profession I am the type of person who will always
try to help and I can never normally say "NO" and perhaps as you
explain bmb despite his bad back LP is the same.
#Post#: 4054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: reflector
Date: January 13, 2019, 4:00 am
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I haven't seen anything of the game so can't comment on the
incident but since he joined the Select Group, I've always
thought him to be a safe pair of hands.
But I certainly agree about the nonsense of sending a referee
hundreds of miles to officiate in a fixture such as this, unless
of course he might have had some other reason to visit the north
east, which I suppose could be a possibility. If not, though,
it seems utter stupidity, especially for someone with his
medical condition which I would have thought requires some
sensitivity on the part of an employer who surely is required to
exercise a duty of care.
#Post#: 4057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: TVOS
Date: January 13, 2019, 5:42 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=469.msg4048#msg4048
date=1547337922]
>
> Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
>
--- End Quote ---
He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late
teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref
training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to
Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of
the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours
than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am -
oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands
who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and
a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed
to the norm.
Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very
serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage
very close to being forced to retire because of it. The surgery
was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back &
always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances
because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it. I
suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine
is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances
due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35
miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
[/quote]
Surely if he has the extent of back issues you claim, then he
isn't fit enough to referee a football match, let alone travel
so far to do it.
Presumably he will have stayed overnight in a hotel?
He has also refereed games at Bolton, Newcastle (twice),
Preston, Rochdale, Man United and Rotherham so far this season,
so using his back problems as a potential reason for his alleged
poor performance doesn't sit right with me, as it were.
#Post#: 4064--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: January 13, 2019, 9:45 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=469.msg4048#msg4048
date=1547337922]
>
> Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
>
--- End Quote ---
He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late
teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref
training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to
Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of
the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours
than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am -
oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands
who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and
a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed
to the norm.
Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very
serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage
very close to being forced to retire because of it. The surgery
was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back &
always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances
because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it. I
suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine
is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances
due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35
miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
[/quote]
I hear what you're saying bmb but I certainly do not believe
Lee's accepted back problems could be used as an excuse to send
him just short distances to referee. Presumably Newcastle would
be off limits as well on this basis. And has he not travelled
abroad as part of a six-man team in European competitions? I can
understand refs being eased back into things after serious
injury, and we were pleased to see Lee at Gresty Road when he
first returned from surgery, but that should be about it.
#Post#: 4066--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 13, 2019, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=469.msg4049#msg4049
date=1547351551]
> [quote author=robbieg link=topic=469.msg4048#msg4048
date=1547337922]
>
> Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I
can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed
an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the
appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game]
it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or
wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a
more reasonable travel time were available.
>
--- End Quote ---
He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late
teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref
training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to
Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of
the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours
than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am -
oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands
who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and
a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed
to the norm.
Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very
serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage
very close to being forced to retire because of it. The surgery
was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back &
always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances
because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it. I
suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine
is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances
due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35
miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
[/quote]
Surely if he has the extent of back issues you claim, then he
isn't fit enough to referee a football match, let alone travel
so far to do it.
Presumably he will have stayed overnight in a hotel?
He has also refereed games at Bolton, Newcastle (twice),
Preston, Rochdale, Man United and Rotherham so far this season,
so using his back problems as a potential reason for his alleged
poor performance doesn't sit right with me, as it were.
[/quote]
Well, I tend to agree with this. Referees obviously need to
travel around (as many people in football do) - you would have
very few international games played otherwise for one thing!
Referees would otherwise be constantly officiating the same
teams - and indeed people often complain if a referee is
appointed to a team very close to where they live! I would have
been disappointed if the likes of Mark Clattenburg, Michael
Oliver and Howard Webb had never refereed at Reading simply
because they didn't live near the area.
Obviously if someone has specific issues with travelling then
they should be taken into account and I presume they would be. I
don't think it's healthy to speculate though and, as TVOS
suggests, Lee Probert has refereed in the North many times this
season and will officiate at Blackburn on Tuesday too.
For what it's worth, I would generally consider Probert to be a
safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy refereeing, whatever level
it is. I've seen him do many Reading Football League games and
he's always been very good or excellent. That said, I think his
form has dipped (perhaps understandably) since his return from
injury and he seems to have more off days than he once did, so
perhaps this was one of them.
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