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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: March 17, 2023, 10:04 am
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> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4686.msg61537#msg61537
date=1679007776]
> Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties
that we would have got all of our players were offside in the
build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got
me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty
taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men,
didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back
around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is
slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker
because the opposition had a player sent off
>
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Because that is what the LOTG say has to happen.
Law 10.3:
If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one
team has a greater number of players than its opponents, it must
reduce its numbers to the same number as its opponents and the
referee must be informed of the name and number of each player
excluded. Any excluded player is not eligible to take part in
the kicks
[/quote]
Thanks for that never knew that was a law and was the first time
I seen it last night and did find it strange we had to lose a
player in the shootout, still think it is slightly unfair though
even if a law because why should the team with 11 men on the
field lose an advantage
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: March 17, 2023, 10:33 am
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=4686.msg61548#msg61548
date=1679022901]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4686.msg61537#msg61537
date=1679007776]
> Thought Lahoz was ok, unfortunately for us the 3 penalties
that we would have got all of our players were offside in the
build up and all the correct decisions, but the thing that got
me and I didn't know this was that we had to lose a penalty
taker for the shootout because sporting went down to ten men,
didn't know that was a thing just thought it would role back
around if it got that far but It didn't bu also think it is
slightly unfair because why should we lose a penalty taker
because the opposition had a player sent off
>
--- End Quote ---
Because that is what the LOTG say has to happen.
Law 10.3:
If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one
team has a greater number of players than its opponents, it must
reduce its numbers to the same number as its opponents and the
referee must be informed of the name and number of each player
excluded. Any excluded player is not eligible to take part in
the kicks
[/quote]
Thanks for that never knew that was a law and was the first time
I seen it last night and did find it strange we had to lose a
player in the shootout, still think it is slightly unfair though
even if a law because why should the team with 11 men on the
field lose an advantage
[/quote]
If you have 11 then you could have your worst taker up against
their best. Thats not fair.
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 17, 2023, 11:53 am
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Also bear in mind a team might be down to 10 for a reason other
than a send off, they could have suffered injuries having
already used all of their substitutions. It simply wouldn't be
fair having the best taker from the team with 10 taking a
penalty in the same round as the opponent's worst taker, usually
but not always the keeper.
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: JCFC
Date: March 17, 2023, 12:23 pm
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I think rusty means the team with ten's best taker.
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: rustyref
Date: March 17, 2023, 12:37 pm
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> I think rusty means the team with ten's best taker.
>
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Indeed I do, I will edit
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: Craven
Date: March 18, 2023, 4:06 am
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MCPridz, why on earth do you think it’s unfair that you lose a
player in the shoot-out? It’s a rule that actually works to your
advantage, surely you can see that? Say for instance it goes to
10-10 in the shoot-out, because Sporting have only 10 players on
the pitch their next penalty taker would revert to the player
who took their first pen, ie, their best penalty taker, whilst
Arsenal would have to use their 11th player, ie, their worst
penalty taker. That is the reason for the rule, and it’s
absolutely correct from a logical perspective. If you can
explain to me how you think that is unfair on Arsenal, I’m all
ears?
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: March 18, 2023, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: Craven link ---
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> MCPridz, why on earth do you think it’s unfair that you lose a
player in the shoot-out? It’s a rule that actually works to your
advantage, surely you can see that? Say for instance it goes to
10-10 in the shoot-out, because Sporting have only 10 players on
the pitch their next penalty taker would revert to the player
who took their first pen, ie, their best penalty taker, whilst
Arsenal would have to use their 11th player, ie, their worst
penalty taker. That is the reason for the rule, and it’s
absolutely correct from a logical perspective. If you can
explain to me how you think that is unfair on Arsenal, I’m all
ears?
>
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I get where you are coming from, I do but the reason I feel it
is unfair is because there goalkeeper would have to take his
penalty earlier, against one of our outfield players and yes he
could score then our goal keeper would as you say against there
best taker but there would be taking earlier
#Post#: 61628--------------------------------------------------
Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: Craven
Date: March 18, 2023, 12:06 pm
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I’ve read your explanation, MCPridz, and then re-read it 739
times, and I still haven’t got a scooby what you’re on about.
I’ve now got a headache and am going for a lie down 🤯
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: Harry H
Date: March 19, 2023, 4:26 am
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> However good Lahoz has been I absolutely hate the way he
conducts himself by emphatically telling players to get up which
I feel is sometimes quite aggressive
>
> I know many of you here will probably disagree
>
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Totally disagree, if you think of the phycology of refereeing
its just a performance and the referee is the lead actor in the
show. Sadly we are lossing now the best officials of 2/3
generations now due to age / retirement. We won’t ever see a
referee with the class of a Poll, Webb, Clattenburg, Dean, Lopez
Nieto, Dauden Ibanez, Merk, Fandal, Frisk, Rizzoli, Loustau
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Re: A M LAHOZ (VAR: M IRRATI): ARSENAL V SPORTING LISBON
DIR By: dave26
Date: March 19, 2023, 4:52 am
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--- Quote from: Harry H link ---
>
> [quote author=bg9 link=topic=4686.msg61535#msg61535
date=1679005020]
> However good Lahoz has been I absolutely hate the way he
conducts himself by emphatically telling players to get up which
I feel is sometimes quite aggressive
>
> I know many of you here will probably disagree
>
--- End Quote ---
Totally disagree, if you think of the phycology of refereeing
its just a performance and the referee is the lead actor in the
show. Sadly we are lossing now the best officials of 2/3
generations now due to age / retirement. We won’t ever see a
referee with the class of a Poll, Webb, Clattenburg, Dean, Lopez
Nieto, Dauden Ibanez, Merk, Fandal, Frisk, Rizzoli, Loustau
[/quote]
Or Medina Cantalejo ( though he mellowed as he got older ) and
Valentin Ivanov who was erratic
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