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Re: A MADLEY: NUFC V WOL
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: March 12, 2023, 3:22 pm
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Unless you mean on burn then why do Newcastle benefit from
committing 2 fouls? If they thought it was a red card offence by
burn then both players should be off, if they think it was a
foul on burn then like at the world cup give the free kick in
the build up to the penalty.
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Re: A MADLEY: NUFC V WOL
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: March 13, 2023, 10:38 am
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Good advantage played for the Wolves goal. Signalled
posthumously in time-honoured fashion. ;)
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Re: A MADLEY: NUFC V WOL
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: March 13, 2023, 11:04 am
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For what it's worth, On RefWatch, all 3 (yes including DG)
thought it a foul by Pope and should have been at least a
penalty. Opinion was divided on whether it should have been a
RC as well. Certainly looked a penalty to me. It was suggested
that if Madley confirmed he had seen it and it wasn't a penalty,
VAR had nowhere to go as it becomes a subjective decision for
the onfield referee. To me that was a crucial KMI early in the
game and in my view the officials got it wrong.
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Re: A MADLEY: NUFC V WOL
DIR By: Jake the Peg
Date: March 13, 2023, 3:51 pm
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This wasn’t a penalty in the reverse fixture in August. Perhaps
these things really do even themselves out.
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Re: A MADLEY: NUFC V WOL
DIR By: ajb95
Date: March 14, 2023, 1:18 pm
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Problem with this decision which nobody has mentioned is that
the decision is TOTALLY on the linesman. If you look at the
replay Madley is in the opposition half so at least 50 yards
from the incident, so not sure how someone can expect him to
make a decision from there:
VAR has to intervene because of this crucial point
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Re: A MADLEY: NUFC V WOL
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: March 18, 2023, 8:08 am
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Dale Johnson has stated that the independent panel which reviews
all refereeing decisions felt that a penalty would have been the
better decision but did not regard it as a clear and obvious
error not to give one so VAR right not to intervene. I believe
the panel judged the handball appeal in the reverse fixture to
be a clear and obvious error.
I was going to ponder on the recent Andre Marriner Leicester V
Chelsea thread if the authorities would set up VAR differently
if introducing it now. I can understand why they wanted to limit
its use originally as it was such a big change and wanted to try
and protect the authority of the on-field referee.
But I think if you were starting from scratch now you might well
scale back the Clear and Obvious concept. It feels it's often
used as a reason to justify not getting involved even if most
people feel a different decision would have been by far the
better outcome and the referee themselves might well feel this
when watching the incident back post-match. I'm not convinced
this increases the authority of the on-field referee.
I think the referee maintains much more credibility in something
like Rugby where they are always actively involved in the
decision making process. As such, I do wonder if the barrier for
the referee being able to view the video replay should be lower,
so it becomes more of a natural part of the process rather than
something that feels a bit more on the sideline. I know there's
the risk of it being overused but on the other hand you might
get more efficient decision making if the referee can view the
incident quickly as opposed to a VAR taking 3 minutes initially
to decide if it constitutes clear and obvious.
I don't think that anything significant is going to change with
VAR in the short term realistically given they've been training
people up on this model for the last 6 years or so.
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