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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: January 9, 2019, 5:05 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> What are we going to trust, a scientifically calibrated system
or someone with a camera in the crowd. I've seen a different
picture to the Twitter one that appears to show Kane offside,
but on it the ball has clearly already left the passer's foot,
and in that split second period with defender moving out and
attacker moving forwards the picture can change dramatically.
>
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That would be valid if the scientifically calibrated system
actually considered where his head was - in this case it seemed
to me from the official image that he was offside.
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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: January 9, 2019, 5:52 pm
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If the guideline is that an AR should not raise his flag on a
close offside decision then who/what determines when it is
"close"?
Also does it matter where on the pitch the close decision occurs
and does the potential subsequent consequence have to be a
consideration (for example the ball might just run out of play
for a throw in)?
What happens if a "close" offside decision occurs near the
goalline (and in this instance the AR's decision would normally
be to flag for offside but under the guidelines doesn't flag)
and the ball was last touched by the defender and goes out for a
corner. Presumably a corner is awarded as there is no flag for
offside (even though it should have been offside) and VAR can't
interevene or does the AR raise a late flag for offside and then
no corner?
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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: ajb95
Date: January 10, 2019, 3:46 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> If the guideline is that an AR should not raise his flag on a
close offside decision then who/what determines when it is
"close"?
>
> Also does it matter where on the pitch the close decision
occurs and does the potential subsequent consequence have to be
a consideration (for example the ball might just run out of play
for a throw in)?
>
> What happens if a "close" offside decision occurs near the
goalline (and in this instance the AR's decision would normally
be to flag for offside but under the guidelines doesn't flag)
and the ball was last touched by the defender and goes out for a
corner. Presumably a corner is awarded as there is no flag for
offside (even though it should have been offside) and VAR can't
interevene or does the AR raise a late flag for offside and then
no corner?
>
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Very valid points well made, thank you!
Why are people calling out the assistant for doing his job??!
The primary job of an AR is to determine whether a player is
offside. The assistant has correctly ruled that Kane is ahead of
the second rear-most defender and such is offside. Whether var
checks for offsides is irrelevant. If we encourage assistants to
NOT flag then we are on a slippery slope!
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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: January 10, 2019, 4:00 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=459.msg3967#msg3967
date=1547077926]
> If the guideline is that an AR should not raise his flag on a
close offside decision then who/what determines when it is
"close"?
>
> Also does it matter where on the pitch the close decision
occurs and does the potential subsequent consequence have to be
a consideration (for example the ball might just run out of play
for a throw in)?
>
> What happens if a "close" offside decision occurs near the
goalline (and in this instance the AR's decision would normally
be to flag for offside but under the guidelines doesn't flag)
and the ball was last touched by the defender and goes out for a
corner. Presumably a corner is awarded as there is no flag for
offside (even though it should have been offside) and VAR can't
interevene or does the AR raise a late flag for offside and then
no corner?
>
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Very valid points well made, thank you!
Why are people calling out the assistant for doing his job??!
The primary job of an AR is to determine whether a player is
offside. The assistant has correctly ruled that Kane is ahead of
the second rear-most defender and such is offside. Whether var
checks for offsides is irrelevant. If we encourage assistants to
NOT flag then we are on a slippery slope!
[/quote]
Well as SG1 officials are used in the FL, where VAR won’t be
used, one week they’ll be told to flag, the next week
potentially not to flag!! Hardly an ideal scenario!!!
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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 10, 2019, 5:21 am
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Some good points made.
The only thought I would offer is that the AR now has 2 means of
communication with the Referee - the flag and comms system. Do
we know what guidelines there are, if any, as to how the latter
might be used in this sort of situation. Both Clattenburg and
Hackett have suggested AR's have been advised to keep the flag
down in marginal offside situations which other posters on here
confirm is the case. If it is, the AR could presumably alert the
referee there is a possible tight offside decision through the
mic. What I'm not clear about is whether the guidelines to not
flag apply irrespective of whether VAR is in use.
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