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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 8, 2019, 6:28 pm
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
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> [quote author=DublinRef link=topic=459.msg3918#msg3918
date=1546979912]
> [quote author=TheThingFromLewes link=topic=459.msg3915#msg3915
date=1546979438]
> Good use of VAR by the team, a tight call for whether it was
offside but definitely a penalty and a card for Kepa.
>
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Agreed. I'm assuming Oliver was going to award the penalty
anyway had there been no flag which is why he didn't look at the
screen as per the protocol as I understand it? He did look as if
he was about to point to the spot.
Additionally thought he gave a fantastic display of calm,
controlled and authoritative body language and communication,
superbly managed.
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Absolutely. Incidentally all the FIFA referees apart from
Kavanagh are out of commission from 27 Jan to Feb 1 in Portugal
doing a VAR course ahead of the CL introduction of the
technology.
[/quote]
Possibly will count most of the Hungarian FIFA refs out of the
1st day back from the winter break then, which will cause a bit
of a headache for Mr Puhl. Berke will have travelled back from
the introductory course 6 days before but the other 5 only
travel back the day before so it could be interesting to see who
gets those 1st games. One of the huge Budapest derby matches as
well in that match day, Ferencváros v Honvéd, I'd describe it as
the equivalent of the North London derby & it tends to be a very
difficult game to put it politely. There's also Videoton v
Felcsút, which although is technically not a derby is played as
if it were one, it's normally a very fiesty match to put it
mildly & the last time they played it all kicked off in the
technical area at the end of the game between both benches &
sets of players. 4O got pushed, one of the AARs was pushed
twice, Felcsút's manager was pushed to the floor, and it carried
on down the tunnel and in the dressing room area!
#Post#: 3932--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: January 8, 2019, 6:30 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=QuoCob link=topic=459.msg3926#msg3926
date=1546989424]
> I would have liked to have seen the view along the line for
the offside, Harry Kane's upper body appeared to be leant over
the virtual line drawn between the feet of both defender and
attacker?
> If the VAR crew didn't have that and didn't have the same view
as the AR, have they guessed?
>
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From twitter:
HTML https://twitter.com/kash1905ifb/status/1082765605067997185
Looks offside to me. AR seems to be about 2/3 feet ahead of the
last defender. I wasn't watching so he may well have been in
line originally if the defenders then moved upfield a bit,
leaving him slightly ahead of them.
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Oh dear. I'm with QuoCob. If they don't have an "along the line"
camera angle and it is a tight call then surely the AR's
decision should stand assuming the AR is not significantly out
of position.
#Post#: 3933--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: January 8, 2019, 6:41 pm
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No time added on for the final substitution whihc happened
during the 3 added minutes - despite Eriksen taking some time to
leave the pitch.
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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 9, 2019, 1:43 am
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The UEFA course is not for all FIFA refs (from the list on
Law5blog only Kassai is on there). It is for those referees who
have been preselected to be involved in the knock out games,
either as referees or VAR. I think Oliver, Taylor and Pawson
will get games in the middle, as well as VAR, with Atwell and
Tierney used as VAR.
Kavanagh is on the new refs course at same time
#Post#: 3937--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 9, 2019, 3:40 am
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In that twitter picture, apart from being a wrong angle, where
is the ball? Is that the exact moment the ball was played?
I see Clattenburg thinks the right decision was reached but
opines that the AR should keep their flag down for tight
offsides like that, knowing that if anything develops VAR will
look at it anyway. Believing it was onside, he also points out
that without VAR, Oliver would have accepted the flag and the
wrong decision reached.
#Post#: 3938--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: Matt
Date: January 9, 2019, 3:46 am
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Offside.
Harry Kane is leaning forward therefore his head is offside. At
the time they were fascinated on position of feet which was
wrong.
#Post#: 3939--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: ajb95
Date: January 9, 2019, 7:14 am
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I’ve see about 4 or 5 angles of this now. I think personally it
is offside and the linesman made a very brave but correct
decision despite being a yard ahead of play or so. With offsides
why is VAR not looking at the side on view or the view the
linesman has? That initial replay is wrong.
What’s the point of having the technology if it’s not going to
be used properly??
#Post#: 3940--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 9, 2019, 7:33 am
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Not having seen the game or the highlights, can I ask a couple
of questions:
What did the AR do having put his flag up - did he stand with
the flag raised or run along the line to follow play?
Why did Michael Oliver not blow for the offside before the
penalty incident arose?
I suspect a factor here is we don't know what was said over the
comms between Oliver and the AR at the time.
Maybe there was an acknowledgement that it was marginal and to
wait to see how play developed, aware that it would go to VAR if
necessary.
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Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 9, 2019, 7:40 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
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> The UEFA course is not for all FIFA refs (from the list on
Law5blog only Kassai is on there). It is for those referees who
have been preselected to be involved in the knock out games,
either as referees or VAR. I think Oliver, Taylor and Pawson
will get games in the middle, as well as VAR, with Atwell and
Tierney used as VAR.
> Kavanagh is on the new refs course at same time
>
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Thanks RCG - so yay we will have refs in Hungary that weekend!
#Post#: 3942--------------------------------------------------
Re: M OLIVER - Tottenham v Chelsea EFL Cup
DIR By: guest4
Date: January 9, 2019, 7:42 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=QuoCob link=topic=459.msg3926#msg3926
date=1546989424]
> I would have liked to have seen the view along the line for
the offside, Harry Kane's upper body appeared to be leant over
the virtual line drawn between the feet of both defender and
attacker?
> If the VAR crew didn't have that and didn't have the same view
as the AR, have they guessed?
>
--- End Quote ---
From twitter:
HTML https://twitter.com/kash1905ifb/status/1082765605067997185
Looks offside to me. AR seems to be about 2/3 feet ahead of the
last defender. I wasn't watching so he may well have been in
line originally if the defenders then moved upfield a bit,
leaving him slightly ahead of them.
[/quote]
Clear offside so what picture were var using? So the only thing
var had to get right they get wrong AND did not follow protocol
as Michael did not look at the monitor. If we are going to have
consistency then var use must be consistent also . What gets me
is people think this was a good example of var where infact it
was a shambles .
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